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    how good is the 306 s16?

    i had a look at an s16 couple of days ago...didn t get to drive the thing so i was wondering...how good are these things...how do they compare to a 306 gti or even a 205 gti....i ll be taking the s16 for a spin this thursday...so the drive will show the cars true colours...but i wouldn t mind knowing some of the basics about them....kw output, things to look out for (i might be buying it if i get a good trade in on one of my other cars)and whats ONE worth these days (94 model 120 000 km)...i must admit i am pretty clueless about the 306 range...i ve driven couple of the xtees....and thought they were quite smooth/sophisticated and reasonably powerfull...any comentary on the s16???
    also ...i believe there was a post recently about the GTI vs S16...can somebody please point me to it....

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    If you plan to leave it stock, then from a S16 owner, save your pennies for a GTI-6.
    The S16, is a little old now, and only in the N3 shape/chassis. The later gti-6 is in the N5.
    But i LOVE my S16, and don't ever plan on selling it.
    They are a mix of 405 Mi-16 drivetrain and brakes, with unique struts and 306 eveything else. Solid and dependable, but some things to lok for.
    If they are over 80,000k's make sure the timing belt has been changed. Also ask about the servicing, engine mounts and coil packs. ask to see books and see if the books match the age/wear of the car. make sure too it has the re-call notice from Peugeot. All these cars were recalled by peugeot to fix a minor electrical fault.
    Check thaht the windows up and VERY smoothly as regulators do play up and are expensive to replace.
    Pricing is dropping for the -6 faster than the S16, average to good cost $12,000 to $18,000.
    Driving?..the S16 is more peaky than a Gti-6 and very little diferent in all other aspects. BTW it only has 5speeds. The options list is also very similar too.
    It feels less solid than a gti-6 but more chuckable, but both cars feel dumb found compared to a good 205Gti.
    The S16 is a good 2 door in beetween the 205 gti and a 306gti-6.
    Personaly if you want to play with them then get a 205 Gti if its left dead stock, get a gti-6 if you want to do small DIY tricks (ie intake, muffler, tyres, brakes) the a S16 is for you. good luck.
    - chris

    ps. Kowing what i know now, a N5 late model 306 XSi would be my choice.
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    All depends on what you want to do with the car, if its jus day to day driving prob the gti6 will be the way to go.

    But if you plan on doin some heavy mods, i personally will stick with a s16 or a 205 gti6, only cus of the gearbox in a gti6 even thow it is a 6 speed from what i been led to believe its weaker than the s16.

    And trust me they not cheap to fix having broken a sun gear in mine, hate to see what the gti6 prices are like.

    I have considered changing to a gti6, i didnt fing it much more powerfull thow i think it is only the matter of somethig like 10kw. Its alot smoother to drive bit more refined.

    But i just love the feel of the s16 with the slightly tighter steering feel and you got to love the cluth setup, im sure chris will agree on that.

    But do make sure either way you on any of these cars make sure the service history is all up to date.

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    Yeah, I agree with most of what Chris has said.

    Don't even begin to expect the S16 will be anything like the N3 XT/XR (1.8l) if that is what you drove. I test drove a few before I bought my S16 and at $13k vs $20, although it looks like a big difference in price, the difference in car is MUCH greater.

    The age factor is something you have to start watching. Although the engine should remain usable well over 200,000kms, other things like struts, engine mounts, cv's etc tend to get more of a beating than in the XSi's due to the S16 more spirited driving target market.

    I havent driven an XSi, though given it's lower power and 6,000rpm redline, I wouldn't think it would be as fun to boot through the rev range as the S16.

    A well kept S16 will not be too much different to a GTI6 in it's ride and handleing as they share most of the same suspension components. The GTI6's stronger chassie and more willing engine under 4,000rpm gave a more tractable and refined ride while retaining the sporting performace of the S16 when it came out, while the XSi gained similar refindment, yet with more subdue engine dynamics.

    Features are much of a muchness between the three. An added bonus is that the S16 are quite a rare species and you can be assured you'll be joining an elite crowd :p
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    if i end up with the car...i d like to ultimately...lower it lightly and possibly flare the front and rear on it....i think they look wild flared...keep it all white...debadge it....and a nice set of rims.....just a very simple clean look...as some of you know i already have a 205 gti...(which i will be keeping)...but the 205 can be quite "rough" and a touch tiring as a city driver (especially at low speeds)...so i thought the s16 would be a lot more sophisticated and easier to live with...what do the they output???
    0-100kmh???

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    Depending on who you belive. Power is at 117Kw @ enigne. They have a reatively heavy flywheel so they can be tiresome in traffic too, but so are all 3 cars mentioned.
    I like the mods you hae planed, if thats what you plan to do, a S16 will fit the bill nicely. The S16's take to lowering better than the Gti-6 simply coz of the lighter weight. But there is not much in it. id stil advise to save pennies and get a gti-6 though.
    Have a look at the gallerie section of <a href="http://www.hi-speed.dk" target="_blank">www.hi-speed.dk</a> for some ideas, lots of modded 306's here too look at, just keep looking some are real suprises. BUT warned not in english, but 306 is 306 in any language. lol - chris
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    306 S16
    Power 116 KW
    Torque 193 Nm
    Weight to Power Ratio 10.00:1 kg/kW

    306 GTI6
    Power 124 KW
    Torque 196 Nm
    Weight to Power Ratio 9.80:1 kg/kW

    306 XSi/XT (N5) 1997+
    Power 100 KW
    Torque 187 Nm
    Weight to Power Ratio 11.40:1 kg/kW

    306 XT (N3) Pre 1997
    Power 77 KW
    Torque 160 Nm
    Weight to Power Ratio 14.03:1 kg/kW

    205 GTI (S1)
    Power 75 KW
    Torque 142 Nm
    Weight to Power Ratio 12.67:1 kg/kW

    205 GTI (S2/3)
    Power 90 KW
    Torque 152 Nm
    Weight to Power Ratio 10.56:1 kg/kW

    There are some assorted pics in here of my car. It has been lowered about 1 1/2 at the front and rear.
    <a href="http://home.iprimus.com.au/bwjones/" target="_blank">http://home.iprimus.com.au/bwjones/</a>

    Here is my favorite, thanks Lincoln

    <img src="http://home.iprimus.com.au/bwjones/pictures/phasis3_sml.jpg" alt=" - " />

    It's not normally that low at the back, I had a bit of gear and the g/f in there, though she's not exactly large.

    0-100, you'd be looking at high 8sec, low 9's, depending on alot of factors like heat, tyres, drive ability etc.
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    Also on the flywheel thing, the engine won't rev as freely in neutral and lower gears as would a SSS or similar. These engine have lighter flywheels, allowing them to spin up easier, though you really notice the value of the torque the engine has when you can pull away from 40km/h in 5th, or climb hills without changing down.
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    ps. Kowing what i know now, a N5 late model 306 XSi would be my choice.
    You just want my car

    Derek
    p.s. Brad that is an awesome photo isn't it. I've had my 306 that low before - 5 people and a boot full of luggage.

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    Brad:
    306 S16
    Power 116 KW
    Torque 193 Nm
    Weight to Power Ratio 10.00:1 kg/kW

    0-100, you'd be looking at high 8sec, low 9's, depending on alot of factors like heat, tyres, drive ability etc.
    ahem , my car feels like 120Kw and 180Nm, but weight about 75Kg than factory, thanks to a few hours removing silly extras, fffhh brakes, overated!...lol. 0-100 g-tech 7.1secs. on Semi race tyres and a heap of revs..lol.
    I like that shot too Brad, my car is now always that low, i did more suspention work, again. Gained rufly 1/2 a sec at Wakefield track. -chris

    ps also consider the g/box ratios are closer in a gti-6.
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    You're welcome Brad I like this one too.

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    dino:
    how good is the 306 s16?
    depends on the inflection of this question, if you buy one it could be:

    How GOOD is THE 306 S16?!!! head_ban head_ban

    I reckon the S16 is pretty special, just something about it that I really like, in pure stock form though.
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    Brad:
    Also on the flywheel thing, the engine won't rev as freely in neutral and lower gears as would a SSS or similar. These engine have lighter flywheels, allowing them to spin up easier, though you really notice the value of the torque the engine has when you can pull away from 40km/h in 5th, or climb hills without changing down.
    Forgive my ignorance, but would an S16 with a lighter flywheel be a good thing? Is it even possible without sacrificing the gear box?

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    My understanding is it 'depends'. A flywheel is there not only for the clutch to engadge to, but also to smooth out the engine and also as an energy storage device. If you add rotational energy to a flywheel it gains momentum. Once spinning, friction aside, it takes as much energy to slow it down.

    You will know with the S16, you can coast up a hill in 5th with little throttle. This is partly attributed to the rotation energy of the flywheel being used to pull the car up the hill.

    The downside is that a larger flywheel will sap more power from the engine instead of being channeled to the wheels. A good real world application of lightening flywheels can be read here.

    <a href="http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/flywheel.htm" target="_blank">http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/flywheel.htm</a>
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