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    Hi guys,

    I'll admit I don't know the nuances of the Mi16. The one I've just bought was delivered in 1992, and has different badges on the boot from what I remember a series 1 has. The Mi16 badge on mine is the one which is in italics without a black rectangle backing.

    It also has 15x6 alloys (and the series one interior and the high boot lip and black insert). The previous owner said that the badges etc. were like a running change before the series 2 was released.

    I phoned Eurocars and they looked it up on their parts list, and confirmed the badges changed.

    Can anyone enlighten me?

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    Stuey

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    Stuey,

    I think you may be diving into somewhat uncharted waters with this.
    I know with the BX16V that there was a series one (that they got overseas) which was 160 BHP no cat, pram handle spoiler and early GT bumpers.
    Then the series 2 as we saw here which was 148BHP, cat and ironing board spoiler with the later models having a tin bonnet instead of plastic.
    Then there was the the 2 litre series two that had the cast iron block instead of the alloy, optional cat and tin bonnet.
    In the middle of all this they were making Mi16s, so I'll leave it to you to try to figure out where the Pug fitted into this scenario as both were basically poured out of the one tap.

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    All Australian MI16s did have cats, 1988 models were a 1.9 litre with 14 inch wheels and BE1/5 (ring lift type reverse), in Sep 89 I think you still had a 1.9litre but the BE 3/5 gear box was used and the wheels were upgraded to 15 inch and the lower edge of the boot was now sheetmetal rather than the grey plastic panel. At some point in the future the move to 2 litre was made now this must have been 1990 ish someone else can pick up here.
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    Yes there was. It was released with 15 x 6 alloys, BE3 gearbox and 1.9L XU9J4Z engine. It had several expensive options removed to get it under the luxury car tax which was around at that time. Missing was ABS and it had wind up windows in the back. The luxury pack was still an option. I personally think it's the most desireable of all the Mi16's.

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    Thanks guys;

    Peter, were the badges different on the boot from the earlier Series 1? You're right (of course) - it has wind up windows in the rear, and no ABS (which for a DIY-er like me, is great, IMO).

    Also, it has "Peugeot 405" on the left of the boot, and "Mi16" on the right, which I was sure is wrong, but the ex-owner swears it was like this from new but I'm not sure if he understood what I meant over the phone. I think he was just referring to the "Mi16" script.

    However, he advised that the only blemish on the car was a tiny scratch 'on the back'... and the dealer mentioned that they'd sprayed a tiny scratch 'on the back somewhere' (I didn't listen too much) - so I figured that, maybe, the dealer had removed the 405 part of the badge and replaced it on the wrong side (!!!). Although how this'd happen is anyone's guess!

    Yep, this car has a cat, but the 1.9 motor. It actually has a Commodore cat along with the stainless system.

    Hmm. Weird, some sort of hybrid. I do like the 15" wheels, though...

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    The badges are correct. They've never changed position. I had the same model. White with velour. Mine was 7/91. Jason20 now owns it. Boot was the same as the earlier model. Full sheetmetal came with the 2L engine and later body. Commodore V6 cat is possibly a bit smaller than std. The Commodore Grp A. convertor was the same cross sectional area.
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    So, I take it you guys didn't get any full 160hp Mi16's in Australia....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT
    The badges are correct. They've never changed position. I had the same model. White with velour. Mine was 7/91. Jason20 now owns it. Boot was the same as the earlier model. Full sheetmetal came with the 2L engine and later body. Commodore V6 cat is possibly a bit smaller than std. The Commodore Grp A. convertor was the same cross sectional area.
    Sorry Peter, but I'm a bit anal about things...

    Do you mean that the badges are correct on mine, in that the script "Peugeot 405" is on the left, and "Mi16" is on the right, on its own? I just can't find any photos.

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    The Peugeot badge should be on the left side

    The 405 & MI16 badges should be on the right side

    Thats how they where fitted when they left the factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuey
    Sorry Peter, but I'm a bit anal about things...

    Do you mean that the badges are correct on mine, in that the script "Peugeot 405" is on the left, and "Mi16" is on the right, on its own? I just can't find any photos.

    Thanks,

    Stuey
    Hi Stuey,

    When I got my Mi, my badges had also been re-arranged. Since then I have removed them and put things back the way thy should be. However, I was a little scared that there had been some rear damage to the car (which turned out to be ok). You may want to check to see if its been hit from behind though.

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    My Mi16 was a 1990 model built late 1989. It had 15 inch wheels, later type gearbox, ABS, no leather or sunroof. Badging: Peugeot on the left, 405 Mi16 on the right. (But I removed them all.)

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    I have the same badge setup I have the 'Peugeot 405' together and the Mi16 on the other side of the boot, I thought it was wrong but have been assured it's correct ?


    Cheers

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    I never knew that there was an official s1.5 but have always referred to late s1 cars with some s2 features as s1.5. A mate has a lux pack in sorrento green (which I think is s2 paint), 15in wheels, and s2 gearbox. Everything else is s1. This is the car that inspired me to buy one. I remember seeing another that had the 15s, the s2 gearbox, s1 interior, 1.9, but had the s2 tail lights and boot lid. The only problem with it was that it was ming blue which I wasn't really into.
    I reckon it's a bonus if you can get hold of one of these s1.5s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug_405_Mi16
    I have the same badge setup I have the 'Peugeot 405' together and the Mi16 on the other side of the boot, I thought it was wrong but have been assured it's correct ?


    Cheers

    Ben
    Well I immediately looked at the back with a frown and the dealer noticed. I just thought "something's not right here". Then I realised that the Mi16 script was totally different, and assumed this was the strange thing I'd picked up. But I looked at some magazine pics, and they had the 405 together with the Mi badge, but the Mi badge was the older one with the smaller script on a black backing rectangle.

    The ex-owner volunteered that the car had never had even a minor dent before I even mentioned the badges.

    Yeah, sorry to go on, but I hate badges not being right. It looks bodgy to me.

    Stuey

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