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    splits for a 306

    Hey guys,
    well i never was into sound systems a great deal, but since i own a slow pug i might as well listen to some decent quality tunes to help make time go by quicker.Plus the stock speakers up front arent doing any justice to the alpine's i've got in the back.

    at the moment i've got a set of alpine 6X9's powered by a v12 alpine amp. What i want is a set of splits costing no more than $150-$200 (i'm running tight on cash).

    I'm not sure what size the cavaties in the door panel will allow for on the 306, i do think it is quite small, i am not going to cut anything out simply cause i can't be bothered plus i want to put the stock speakers in there too when i sell the car.

    So what splits would you guys reccomend, im a clarity freak, i know for $200 i cant expect too much but i'd like it to be as clear as it could be.

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    Several years ago there was a test in Hot 4's which rated the Phillips very highly in that price range. I don't know if these are still available or whether they will fit but it's worth a look-see
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    have a look at phoenix gold octane splits $199, Hertz energy ESK165 $199, but if you can put in another $100 you can get the Hertz hi-energy HSK165 for $299.

    all can be had from <a href="http://www.webaudiodirect.com.au" target="_blank">www.webaudiodirect.com.au</a> (part of car audio autralia) but supplied by dB fever in victoria.

    personaly i would go the octane splits if i could go the HSK165's as the hertz dont come with grills as far as i know, have heard good reps about all that i have recomended.

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    Thanks for the responses, keep them coming.

    One question, what size are the cavaties in the door panel or what size will these allow for???

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    I have 6" in my N3 door pods
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    Brad:
    I have 6" in my N3 door pods
    Did you have to cut away anything???
    Ok so if i look around for 5-1/4 to 6 inch, i should be alright.

    Now at the moment i've got the 6x9's powered by the amp, should i use the amp for the splits aswell or should i just run them of my 50x4 headunit??

    <small>[ 21 September 2003, 09:21 AM: Message edited by: purrr-geot ]</small>

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    GTI124:
    They're 5 1/4".
    .......mmmm.No,. Maybe in a N5, all N3's Take a 6.5" with about 45mm mounting depth. Its this shallow depth (4.5cm) that dosn't allow big speakers here.
    purgeot?, are you going to use an amp? have you considered Sound Dedaning?? its a must, even your stock speakers will gain 2-3dB with dedaning and some good sealing and extra solid mounting, ie big screws that bite into the door metal,BUT!! not so far in as to hit the glass!!
    Splits really need a amp behind them, also if you run the 6x9's (a personal pet hate of mine) on a amp they will over power the fronts. most of your power should be for the front speakers, as that makes the music seem like its coming from the front, not behind you, which when from behind also causes weird time and phase disalingment..... ok enough.
    Here is my 2c, Dont worry about splits. Buy a cheap set of TORX screw drivers and remove one of the front speakers. take it to stores and see what will fit etc. Jaycar sell 6.5" 2ways with excelent range for the money. Bargain them down as much as you can, use what ever money is left to Sound-deaden the doors!!! i really can't stress this enough. Unless yo are 100% not confident, ask a reputable shop to do this, give em a cheap camera (ie disposable) and ask them to take witness shots, so you know the work is done. Or just watch them, but some shops hate that.
    N3 front doors leak alot of sound, ask to put some foam seal around the speaker it self.
    Next ask them to parrallel your front speakers with the 6x9's. that way they can be powered of the amp too. MAKE SURE your amp is 2ohm compatible!!!! although 99% of amps are.
    Also upgrade - negative earth strap, on N3's they will be getting old and brittle contact by now.
    IF you are keen im more than happy to post STEP by STEP clear instructions, so you can do this yourself!!! come on give it a go. cheers - chris
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    Umm...I was pretty sure they were 5 1/4 in my GTi6...I'm probably wrong though.

    Asanka, I ran 6x9s and some Focal splits on the amp with no problem. As Chris has said though, investigate sound deadening in those doors and they'll make $150 speakers sound great.
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    when i put the kicker splits in the front of mine many moons ago they were 165mm drivers into the doors of the GTi-6
    they were the same in the Mi-16 i had as well
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    Thanks for the responses, keep them coming. For the first time i'm actually understanding the car audio jargon.

    Now on the issue of Sound Dedaning or deadning (however it's spelt), chris you've definitely made a good point there and Iím going to take your advice and do something about it. Please correct me if Iím wrong (cause right now Iím just guessing).
    To do something about deading would basically mean giving the speakers the strongest amount of support to prevent any sort of movement of those speakers correct?? so basically a strong foundation.

    Now what materials would you be looking at and is it a DIY job or something that needs to be done professionally, as I feel Iíd be competent enough to do it myself just if you tell me the materials needed.

    Would this be a example of deadning
    <img src="http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/194000-194999/194505_3.jpg" alt=" - " />

    The owner of this 306 from mexico has gone "loco". He has gone to great lengths to try and make his car sound good.
    <a href="http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=194505&page=1" target="_blank">306 owner in Mexico goes "loco" over sound!</a>

    If you didnt know already i own a N3.
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    <small>[ 21 September 2003, 12:53 PM: Message edited by: purrr-geot ]</small>

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    Those Philip speakers are called GTM-1350 I have them in my 205 and for $200 they are excellent, HOt4's raved about them and they used when they did their SPL project in a Corolla, i picked them up from autobarn about 2 years ago, not too sure if they are still being made. Shop around and have a listen a set of 5in will give more clarity and the 6in will give a bit more bass due to the larger cone area.
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    Asanka, youre on the right track when you say sound dedaning is there to do two things, 1)To reduce rattles and shake. 2)to increase the overall acoustic responce.
    The mexican fella has built Custom doors pods, to do both give EXTRA support and help deaden the door. The MDF and wood panels are the EXTRA support and that shiny almost aluminium looking thing is called Dynamat which is arguably the worlds bets bitumen based sound dedaning product.
    See Dr306's Exterior Mods for 306 thread. for more info.
    For DIY, go to Jaycar and buy some Brown Bread rolls, use a small roller and hairdryer to try and cover the inner metal skins of the doors, and as much of the area around the speakers (from behind of course).
    It does wonders.
    Those phillips splits have been superceded, but i honestly wouldn't bother, unless you plan on getting a sub later and a bigger amp etc. Also to reconfirm all N3 standard doors hold 6.5inch 2 ways, take clear to clear both the inner depth and also the front tweeter if you get 2 or 3ways.
    let me know if you need anymore help. cheers - chris

    ps, Even after installing for all these years no one has ever told me if its dedaning, deading, or whatever.

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    thanks chris, i geuss i'll be off to jaycar to get some bread rolls!

    This is just an idea, what do you think about it? These stock speakers aren't horrible (by my standards anyway) now if the deadning process has a huge effect on sound quality will this effect the output & quality greatly, so much so that the stock speakers will be performing at a respectable level??

    Or should i just invest in a "decent" set of $200 splits??

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    Yes you could do the deadening and find your front stage is fine and not worthy of an upgrade just yet...at least until you save up somemore $$s wink

    By the way, it's deadening.
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    Damn beat me to it yup deadening and deadener!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHRI'S16
    all N3's Take a 6.5" with about 45mm mounting depth.
    if I remember correctly Chris you have some resonable VDOs that satisfy those requiremets and arent too expensive... do you remember the model number ? Strathfield Car radios have some crazy sales today in NSW with extremely low prices !
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    Strathfield had some JBL 6" 2 ways (GTO626E) at $88 until Xmas Eve. I was going to buy them - and they've put 'em back to $138 now. Arrgh!


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    I might jump in on this, as I HAVE to replace the factory speakers in the 406, as they are crap...

    Was thinking of getting a pair of those Kenwood 6 inch single cone speakers Strathfeild have for cheap and replacing the factory woofer and leave the factory tweater in place and hooked up. Is this likely to work? (for $38 i thought its worth a try and it cant sound worse...) and some Sony 6 by 9 (I dont like 'em either, but thats what Mr Peugeot put in so thats what the mounting is set up for..), all run off the Kenwood head unit.

    What would happen if I put 2 way speakers in the doors and left the factory tweater hooked up (it has a capacitor on the tweater for filtering)?

    You sound like you know your stuff Chris!

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    I doubt you can buy just a mid range woofer for $38... but if you have, then, as long as you have a cross over box you can use the original tweeter. The Pug probably uses a capacitor instead of a cross over box, it's the cheapest way to go.

    As for running a two way and a tweater, well... firstly you'd need to get the tweeter fed with high range... so you have the crossover issue again...even if you did do it you;d then have way too much treble staging at the front.

    My tip would be to get a good pair of splits...or not a good pair...any pair is probably better than the OEM set. I don't know the 406 well, but I imagine the tweeter is behind a mount in the A pillar or the like. You should be able to get a replacement tweeter that will go into the same spot and keep that "stock" look.

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    Haakon, I've temporarily replaced the door speakers in my Mi with some Jaycar 2 ways (the ones in the door had lost their foam surrounds) and it sounds acceptable. It sounds like it's the same setup as the 406. I'm pretty sure that the tweeters on the dash have no filter capacitor, but are simply wired in series with the door speaker. Anyway, as noted above, the treble is a little over the top, but it's OK until I can buy some decent speakers and build a few crossovers.

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    in regards to sound deadening. i would like to clarify one thing, is it ok you just sound deaden around where the speaker is loacted? or do you do the whole door?

    so when I apply sound deadening I adhere it to the trim correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by choiboi
    in regards to sound deadening. i would like to clarify one thing, is it ok you just sound deaden around where the speaker is loacted? or do you do the whole door?

    so when I apply sound deadening I adhere it to the trim correct?
    No, the whole door, and you apply it to the door framing, not the trim. The objective is to ensure that no air escapes from the speaker housing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuey
    Strathfield had some JBL 6" 2 ways (GTO626E) at $88 until Xmas Eve. I was going to buy them - and they've put 'em back to $138 now. Arrgh!
    I got 'em at $88 - an absolute bargain. Haakon, these would be a good buy if you've got time. RRP $149, they're on sale today at $88. Top quality, high sensitivity speaker (90dB/W/m).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuey
    I got 'em at $88 - an absolute bargain. Haakon, these would be a good buy if you've got time. RRP $149, they're on sale today at $88. Top quality, high sensitivity speaker (90dB/W/m).
    45mm mounting depth ??? That's the main requirement for N3 306s...
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