206 GTi 180 Review Part 2
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    Default 206 GTi 180 Review Part 2

    OK guys.
    A few weeks ago there was a thread about a review written a little while ago by a guy who pretty much bagged the whole car. It made a few AF members a little hot. I thought i would write in and ask the reasons why he wrote what he did. So this is what i got back. Please note some of the thing i wrote were just to get explainations for. I have driven a 180 and do like it but i thought ide post this anyway.





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    >Thanks for the email - here are the responses from the author of that
    >particular road test (Julian Edgar).
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    >Regards
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    >Michael Knowling
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    > > Comments:
    > > Hi there.
    > > Just reading the review(i know it is a little old) about the Peugeot
    > > 206 GTI 180 and am a bit concernd about what Jurno has written.
    > > He states that peugeot have never made any Cutting edge engines.
    > > Does he even know anything about Peugeots at all. Does he know what
    > > a 405 MI16 is. Proberbly not. If he does then what is he talking
    > > about not cutting edge.
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    >Yes, he knows what the Peugeot 405 MI16 is. It's a Peugeot from 15 years ago
    >that had a 1.9 litre engine that developed 108kW and in Australian tests had
    >a 0-100 km/h time of 9.5 seconds.
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    > >Also recently the 307 TDI (yes this means
    > > Turbo Diesel) Completed a round trip of Australia haveing the best
    > > fuel econmy, setting a new world record.
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    >..which is why we said "we've never thought Peugeot 4-cylinder engines
    >(except the turbo-diesels) are anything cutting edge..."
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    > > He claims that testing the car 0-100
    > > they never got close to 7.4, 14 years ago when the 205 gti was
    > > released with a 130hp 1.9 8 Valve engine in it,it was doing 0-100
    > > in 7.5. You do the math. What was that about not cutting edge 15yr ago.
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    >Huh? Even on the figures that you're quoting that makes this current car
    >only 1/10th of a second faster to 100 than the equivalent of 14 years ago!
    >And that's progress? Not to mention the fact that the GTi 180 press car was
    >no where near as fast as 0-100 in 7.4 seconds....
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    What is he talking about stiff ride.The car
    > > is a sports car and therefore the ride does not have to be that of
    > > a S Class merc.
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    >Sure. But it also doesn't need so stiff a ride that some people refused to
    >travel in it.
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    > Also the seats in the 180 have been voted one of
    > > the most comfortable seats in a sports car today.
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    >So good seats more than make up for a lousy ride, eh? What about simply
    >getting both right?
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    >I think he should
    > > stick to writing about different Lions. Holdens. Something very
    > > boring, simple, ugly and nasty.
    > > I would like a reply to this e mail and an explaination either form
    > > you (the reader of this mail) or the Jurno who worte it why he
    > > wrote negativly, in just about every aspect of the car.
    > > Regards Cameron.
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    >You seem to think that we deliberately set out to condemn the car for faults
    >that we invented. Read the first paragraph again. We were looking forward to
    >driving this car, remember? You obviously are a Peugeot fan. That's fine.
    >But we approach every car not from the perspective of a fan, but to evaluate
    >it as impartially as possible. And there are plenty of small, sporting cars
    >we'd rather have in place of the 180 GTi.
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    >Julian Edgar


    So what do you reckon. Keep in mine it took about 2 weeks for a reply.
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    i still think what he said is valid. he has some good points. but i thik that if they drove another 180 his tune might change... possibly

    then that makes you wonder about why there would be one terribly slow 180 getting around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam85
    So what do you reckon. Keep in mine it took about 2 weeks for a reply.
    What do I think? I think you may have baited him a bit much to get a decent reply out of him.

    As I own one of them and drive it every day, I know what he wrote is rubbish (either that or he was given a very sick car, and therefore it's as much Peugeot Oz's fault as anyone's).

    I'm disappointed that what he wrote may have turned people off looking at the car, but at the end of the day people are still buying them regardless of what JE has written. Maybe that means there is more of them available to the independent thinker

    I think his article sucks, it's just not worth getting bent out of shape over.
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    Cam, I think your letter is poorly written and not very well thought out. I've corresponded with Julian in the past and he has responded appropriately and reasonably.

    His response is more than appropriate and I still agree with what he has said about the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTI124
    Cam, I think your letter is poorly written and not very well thought out.
    Have to say I agree here - you can't expect a well written reply when the letter hasn't even had a spell check or proof reading. I know spelling and grammar aren't the be-all and end-all, but it indicates the level of care the writer puts into their letter.

    I also think Julian's raised some valid points as Reno's said, but let's not turn this into another thread like that other one

    Derek.

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    Thinking about this some more. I think it's a bit unfair for journos to be judging a car on it's 0-100 times still. I mean you can't compare a 205 with a 206 when it comes to safety kit and creature comforts. You can't have weight and performance. You can't have performance AND emmissions compliance. It's something that the 205 never had to deal with, whilst the 206 has to.

    So on that point I think he's wrong to say the engine isn't technologically advanced comparing it to a 12 year old Mi16 engine. I also think he's wrong to say that engine isn't advanced, either. It's still a very good, advanced engine that gives real world performance across the rev range.

    Although, it's still not as good as it could be.

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    help me.........................

    aggggggggggggggh

    im feeling drawn by temptation to reply........

    seriouslly, in all honesty, I have no comment.

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    Come on Smokey.

    As Rob Snieder puts it

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    There's now another reply to that letter from another autospeed reader.

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    what was wrong with my post? its an opinion if you dont like it, stiff shit. i still stand by what i say. i was trying to put a proactive spin on this for you 180 drivers, (you need all the positive input you can get atm, with the amount of problems being so low and all{sarcasm intended}).

    maybe inviting him on a drive day would be a good thing, although why should he need to drive 2 cars to get a good understanding of one car.

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    cool...

    sorted.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206
    What do I think? I think you may have baited him a bit much to get a decent reply out of him.
    Even so, a "professional" person in that capacity should be able to rise above the bait and offer a well constructed rebuttal ... sounds like a typical AussieFrog reply not someone who's getting paid to review cars ... Yep those replys certainly reinforce my opinion on his journalistic integrity.

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    i think he may have had a brand new car? my 180 revs so much easier now its got 5clicks on the dial. I would say that most people who drive the 180 dont account for how much the engine free's up. I would say mine is now just as quick as any RS clio I test drove.

    aside from that, I think they need to state the track the weather and a printout of the time. (or perhaps I missed it?)

    i wouldnt worry about it, its pretty insignificant to the amount of really good reviews out there.

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