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    Hi everyone, I'm kinda new to peugeots so I was hoping to get some answers regarding the 306 GTi6. Several people recommended this forum since its full of peugeot enthusiasts. so here we go....

    1) Can someone give me an estimation of the running costs of this car (eg. servicing, replacement parts... etc)? Since this will be my first car I don't want to get something that burns a hole in my wallet.

    2) How hardy is the engine? I mean... a Honda DOHC VTEC can last up to 250Ks before having major problems (so I was told by some honda enthusiasts), so I was just wondering....

    3) Are there any known serious problems/mechanical weaknesses?

    4) Give me several good reasons why I should buy the GTi6 instead of a Honda Civic VTi-R.

    thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ming

    4) Give me several good reasons why I should buy the GTi6 instead of a Honda Civic VTi-R.

    thanks!
    Drive a gti6 and you will answer your own question

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    Agreed with the above post.
    GTi 6 will out handle just about any honda bought to the earth. The motor if treated right will have no problems at all. The gti6 has the six gears. Some like it others dont. It has really nice, close ratios. (perssonal opinion). You will enjoy the drive much more than the honda. Ive been for a ride in a v tech and you have to rev the guts out of it to really make it move. But as the above post says. Drive one and youll answer your own questions.

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    I'm loving my gti6. Just such a good looking car and they aren't a dime a dozen, so if you like a unique car, then get one. I am still to find the limits as to what the car can do, although I am still a bit tentative. Cornering is just brilliant and accelerating to 100kph in 2nd is very do-able...when she gets above 3000-3500 revs just feel your head suck back into the seat. Sweet.

    I have been told servicing costs have been capped. A regular one will cost $160 up to $400(I think) for the big one requiring the timing belt etc. MIne has been done, and you had better make sure your one is too.

    I only use 6th on Freeways pulling 3000rpm at 110-120 kph isn't bad for a 4 cyl.

    Disadvantages?? Okay, well, the wheels are notoriously hard to balance as they have no centre hole. Mind you, took mine to BOb Jane and they do a good job.

    Fuel economy isn't fanatstic, especially if you drive her hard. If you don't, I have been able to get 10L/100km around town (if you drive like a grandpa).

    But just do a forum search on the GTi6 and see what problems people have had. No car is flawless (except a certain 1979 Mazda 626 which I won't go into here!), but I'm sure glad I got mine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone Free
    I only use 6th on Freeways pulling 3000rpm at 110-120 kph isn't bad for a 4 cyl.
    It's not bad but I wish it was lower in the 2L 306 cars (for noise and fuel consumption reasons). The 1.4L in the C3 does 2750 at 110... weird the 2L revs so much higher.

    Anyway, in response to service costs, it's already been mentioned but the 4 year / 80 000km service interval on the cam belt is the important one in these cars (particularly city cars).

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    when i was shopping around before i bought my gti-6 i had a look at the integra vti-r (shape before the current one)

    performance wise, these are still good cars. they like to rev high, where the pug has a bit more torque low down. they still handle pretty well too

    one of the deciding factors was that a gti6 is something a bit different. there are heaps of honda civic/integra/prelude vti-rs that you see running around, but a gti-6 is pretty rare. its also european so i think its a little more exotic as well.

    as far as maintenance costs go, ive dropped a bit of money into my car. i havent had any catastrophic failures as far as engine/gearbox, but my car is now on 135k kms and consumables like new front discs every 20k kms hurts a bit.
    i imagine a honda could be expensive to maintain if you took it somewhere reputable and looked after it properly

    there are lots of other performance cars you can consider around the 20k mark, like a wrx or a 200sx but again these are pretty common and bland japanese cars.

    the gti-6 would be the best value performance european car you can find

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    thanks for the responses guys.
    Yes, I will certainly arrange to try out a GTi6 when I can.
    The servicing costs seem quite reasonable for this kind of car, I am more inclined to getting this over the honda now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ming
    thanks for the responses guys.
    Yes, I will certainly arrange to try out a GTi6 when I can.
    The servicing costs seem quite reasonable for this kind of car, I am more inclined to getting this over the honda now.


    i have had mine since new and as far as a hot little hatch goes it's a great car

    i have also driven a 206 GTi quite a few times and they are good as well albeit a little smaller than the 306 and as i prefer a little more room the 306 wins hands down

    just keep in mind the limited turning circle one way and the slightly heavier clutch and you should be ok

    the clutch i don't really find a problem and is easy to get used to and when i jump into something else i find it hard to get used to a light clutch

    as for the turning circle you will learn that going around the block is a good option or try and make a U turn to the left

    cam belts are a must and city cars need them changed more often than their country counterparts

    as for brakes well any city car will go through them more often and if you drive hard they will eat away but that is par for the course with any car. i am still on my originals all round after 6.5 years of ownership and the discs show no sign of a lip but the pads are starting to get down a bit and will need changing in another 12 months i reckon

    they can also go through batteries as well so come summer just ensure you keep the battery topped up and cool by removing the cover from the battery box and insulating the terminals to be safe. i am up to my 3rd battery

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    Quote Originally Posted by ming
    Hi everyone, I'm kinda new to peugeots so I was hoping to get some answers regarding the 306 GTi6. Several people recommended this forum since its full of peugeot enthusiasts. so here we go....
    I noticed you're from Adelaide, so am I and I own a gti6 so can help on some details. First of all, where are you buying it from? There is a certain 'blaze yellow' one floating around Adelaide which has previously been written off and then rebuilt..aviod it! I bought mine-used car-from Taylors Medindie, dealt with Andrew there, he was very good. Was a hardarse at negotiating a price at first, but eventually came down.

    Anyway, if after you drive it and it feels good and passes all initial checks. Get it checked out by either Charles st Autos (Stewart) or at Lion Auto (Mark) both Peugeot specialists. I had mine checked out by Charles st, and don't be too worried if lots of minor things come up. Stewart is very picky, and the final report is a great negotiating tool. Ask Stewart for his opinion on the car.

    Quote Originally Posted by ming
    1) Can someone give me an estimation of the running costs of this car (eg. servicing, replacement parts... etc)? Since this will be my first car I don't want to get something that burns a hole in my wallet.
    I get my car serviced at Lion Auto. A 10K service costs just over a $100 there. Taylors Medindie will charge a lot more. In the 15K I've done since I bought the car, only thing that was replaced was:
    a)front brake discs. Can be replaced with DBA (non factory) which are just as good or better at around $150/disc.
    b)Centre muffler corroded. Original peugeot replacement is expensive, so replaced it with a stainless aftermarket one for $100. No change in noise or performance.
    My rear muffler is on the way out. I got quoted $900+ from Taylors for this!!! Ringing around since, can get the same part for $450 new ordered from a pug mechanic in Sydney.

    I can't speak for other gti6's but mine has been very reliable to date. This includes about a 100kms of spirited driving almost every weekend that I've owned it plus a good drive to Melbourne and back via the gt ocean rd

    I get decent fuel economy. I don't drive in the city as such, but my usual work to back trip, with fair few traffic lights during the week and my weekend fang usually averages me 10L/100km or less. Best I've done on the freeway is about 7.5L/100km.

    Quote Originally Posted by ming
    2) How hardy is the engine? I mean... a Honda DOHC VTEC can last up to 250Ks before having major problems (so I was told by some honda enthusiasts), so I was just wondering....
    I've heard Honda engines are very reliable too. Depending on how it's been driven, 250K before MAJOR problems doesn't sound unreasonable.

    I've heard the XU10J4RS gti6 engine is very reliable. My car's only got about 60K on the odo so can't say yet, but so far power is excellent, no drop in oil at all, etc *touch wood*

    Quote Originally Posted by ming
    3) Are there any known serious problems/mechanical weaknesses?
    I've heard that the engine mounts can give trouble. Doesn't seem like a major issue though. As others have already pointed out, that timing belt MUST be replaced every 80,000kms OR every 4 yrs, whichever comes first.

    This next bit is not a mechanical weakness, but be aware, due to having the 6-speed 'box, the right turning circle is HUGE. 13.7m to be exact. I've become used to it, but can be a pain.

    Quote Originally Posted by ming
    4) Give me several good reasons why I should buy the GTi6 instead of a Honda Civic VTi-R.

    thanks!
    I've driven the civic vti-r and I think it's an excellent car. I like the engine, and it goes well. Now in my opinion in comparison to the gti6, this is what I've noticed:
    The gti6 is a much torquier engine, pulls really well down low. Also the gti6 has a very long 1st gear, and has 6 gears..so the 4 other gear ratios are very close spaced, therefore it makes really good use of its power and fires out of corners even if you are in too high a gear.
    The gti6 handles, in my opinion, far better than the civic.
    The civic has better fuel consumption, and has a clutch much lighter and easier (for me) to use.

    Hope that helps. Let me know if you get one, you'll have to join a few of us on our cruises!
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    What I have noticed, and people can correct me if I am wrong, is that alot of the older 306s are well over their factory recommended service time line. As a result many more garages are inclined to service them as opposed to just the dealerships or Pug specialists.

    You won't need to rice up the GTi. It already looks horn. Mind you, WRCPUG has a got a great example of what a bit of lowering can do. But puegeot got it spot on in the factory so any performance mods aren't that worthwhile (Eg exhausts etc).

    Yes, the clutch is heavy, but I find you don't need to depress it very far, and you just get used to it. Because it is not hydraulic there's no problems with clutch fluid at least!

    They don't come up very often at dealerships, but if you see one take the chance to test drive. Mine has 65000km on the clock for a '98 model. It's in primo condition.

    You also know it is European when you sit in it. Just feels more solid and worth your money.
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    hi jastanis, thanks for your reply! well I am actually thinking of getting the GTi6 from Melbourne as I can't seem to find one to my liking here in Adelaide. If I do get one I will definitely post in this forum and we can organise a little cruise.

    You won't need to rice up the GTi. It already looks horn. Mind you, WRCPUG has a got a great example of what a bit of lowering can do. But puegeot got it spot on in the factory so any performance mods aren't that worthwhile (Eg exhausts etc).
    I definitely don't intent to do any mods if I get this car, I've read enough to know that it doesn't do much good.

    I have read of some people complaining that the seats are not very comfortable and that it is not easy to get the optimum driving position, what do you guys think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeKa
    It's not bad but I wish it was lower in the 2L 306 cars (for noise and fuel consumption reasons). The 1.4L in the C3 does 2750 at 110... weird the 2L revs so much higher.
    Derek.

    The 2L performance Pugs are geared 100% right. The perfect gearing allows you hit maximum speed just under the rev limit in top gear. Any longer and it's wasted. This (lower RPM) doesn't translate into better fuel economy either, just reduced engine noise. An Mi16 returns 36mpg at 120 km/h (4000rpm).
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    i went to batemans bay last month in the GTI-6 and i filled it back up again on the way back at yass and it returned 35mpg and i had a lot of fun coming back up the clyde so i don't think they are too bad for mileage

    nearly a month later and the car still has 1/2 a tank of fuel
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    Pugrambo; you drive 2km a day or something? wish I could have half a tank after a month!!

    as far as the seats are concerned, well, if I have been driving for 2 hours or more my backlstarts to hurt a bit. But I have had that in the 205 GTi too as well as a brand new Saab. The only cars that have never given me a back ache have been old Mazdas. However, the seats in the GTi6 are really snug with the side bits keeping you upright as you rip into another corner.

    I was under the impression that Adelaide was swimming in Pugs. The dealer I got mine through mentioned that he sends quite a few over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone Free
    Pugrambo; you drive 2km a day or something? wish I could have half a tank after a month!!


    it only does on average around 3K a year for the last few years

    it will be used a bit more while the 604 is off the road but once the 604 is back up again the 306 will be used only for day type runs out of town as i don't like running it cold around town
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    I know what you mean. I travel 4.5km to work. The temp gauge has just moved by the time I get there, but the oil temp doesn't even get a guernsey. Probably not the best for the girl. I only need $20 a week for petrol.
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    The GTi6 is a glorious car, and is quite bulletproof. The Honda Civic VTiR is a pile of albatross do do's. A big fat nothing of car I reckon.
    However, if you were to say Type R Integra (the early one), that is quite a special car. Very highly strung kind of thing. I love both of them, and would probably prefer the type R at the end of the day, though it would be a close contest, and whilst the Pug is a much nicer looking car, the Honda is very very cool to drive. But it's only if you like 'em harsh and raucous. How much is an early type R these days I wonder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ming
    1) Can someone give me an estimation of the running costs of this car (eg. servicing, replacement parts... etc)? Since this will be my first car I don't want to get something that burns a hole in my wallet.
    Less than a Honda, I can assure you of that! Ever seen spare parts prices for them?

    Comparing dealer-dealer servicing between my old Honda and the 306, the Pug servicing is cheaper. And that's with full synthetic oil in the 306, and whatever random mid-grade mineral oil in the Honda.

    Quote Originally Posted by ming
    2) How hardy is the engine? I mean... a Honda DOHC VTEC can last up to 250Ks before having major problems (so I was told by some honda enthusiasts), so I was just wondering....
    Well mine has lasted 96,000km so far and it doesn't use any oil, blow blue smoke, explode in flames, etc. Not that much in the long term I'll agree, but I haven't heard anything bad re: the long-term reliability of the engines.

    The most important thing though (aside from regular oil changes of course) is to get the timing belt replaced on schedule. This applies to all Honda engines as well (being interference designs), but the engine in the GTi6 puts a lot of stress on the belts at idle, making it all the more important. This is probably the only real weakness you'd need to care about.

    Quote Originally Posted by ming
    3) Are there any known serious problems/mechanical weaknesses?
    Mainly the timing belt thing above. It's not really an issue if you are mindful of regular servicing etc. If you don't service the car to the dot (or better), you don't deserve either a GTi6 or a VTi-R Civic IMO

    Brake rotors tend to wear out faster than most Japanese cars. But the replacements are quite cheap.

    The gearbox is nowhere near as smooth as your average Honda one (but as it's a rod linkage, you do feel a slight rumble of the engine through the gearstick )

    The turning circle to the right takes a bit of getting used to. Be prepared for "u-turns" to become 3-point turns. It sucks a bit, but the room for that 6th cog in the gearbox has to come from somewhere I guess

    The controls (steering, brakes, clutch) are heavier than a normal Honda, but have heaps more feel. Bad if you're an average A-B driver, good if you enjoy driving. In my books this is a net positive though, it makes you feel connected to the road. The steering and braking of all the Hondas I've driven felt so DEAD DEAD DEAD compared to a 306.

    Quote Originally Posted by ming
    4) Give me several good reasons why I should buy the GTi6 instead of a Honda Civic VTi-R.
    You don't have to modify it when you buy it -- it's extremely capable and well-balanced out of the box.

    The interior is SO much nicer.

    They both have good top-end power, but the GTi is actually usable at low revs.

    The handling is fantastic, and the suspension is still quite comfortable in day-to-day traffic. ( Bone-jarring stiffness doesn't necessarily mean the car's a good handler)

    Greater anonymity. People won't be trying to bait you into dragging off the line etc. and you'll never have to pass by a police car and think, "hmm I wonder if he's looking to pull me over for some useless bullshit" In my experience the only people who even know what the car is, are Mi16 and GTi6 owners...

    I know this point is very dependent on personal circumstances, but I found insuring a GTi6 quite a bit cheaper than sporty Hondas (Integra VTi-R, Civic VTi-R; heck, it was cheaper than the 10-year-old Prelude Si I had before it.)
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    [QUOTE=ming]hi jastanis, thanks for your reply! well I am actually thinking of getting the GTi6 from Melbourne as I can't seem to find one to my liking here in Adelaide. If I do get one I will definitely post in this forum and we can organise a little cruise.

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    once again, thanks for the great replies guys!

    well, having researched more and reading the comments here I am pretty much set for the GTi6!

    But some circumstances have arised and I have to delay my purchase till the end of the year.....

    Hopefully I can still find one then since the GTi6 is pretty rare here in aus... I'll be really pissed if I can't... I really want a nice hot hatch and the GTi6 seems to fit the bill.
    if I can't find one I guess I might settle for a XSi... it's the next best car to the GTi6 in the 306 range right (besides the rallye)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ming
    if I can't find one I guess I might settle for a XSi... it's the next best car to the GTi6 in the 306 range right (besides the rallye)?
    the next best thing to a gti6 will have to be the s16, jus got a tad more power than the xsi.

    you can always buy my s16

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    I have a Civic VTi-R. Very nice build quality and a motor that begs to be revved. But the rest of the car, particularly the handling and brakes is quite underdone I am not very inspired when I drive it. Maybe the Japan only Civic Type R would have been better.

    I now know that I should have got a GTi6 instead

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