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    I drove a 309 in Holland about 6 years ago. It was probably a diesel and we ended up getting like 300km on half a tank. Insane.

    Does anyone know of anyone that imported one of these privately? I'm just curious as they were never officially imported here. Has one ever turned up at a car day or anything??

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    There are a few 309s here. A while back there was a four door 309 GTi for sale in the Age. It was originally advertised for $12000 and gradually went down to $8000. You'll find the ad on Aussiefrogs if you do a search. It sounded like a good car.

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    I havent seen one over here but there was one for sale in NSW last year, a black one I think but dont quote me on it. Was a thread on it here;

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    309's were never sold in australia.... there are a few that were imported... if you wanted one then you would have to go very far as they were sold in New Zeland are quite easy to get your hands on one over there from what i've been informed... there quite a nice car and the top of the line model that was sold in europe was especially nice... the 309 GTI16 to be exact and it was basically a 309 GTI with the MI16 motor droped into it ( all left hand drive ).... its a car we should have but didnt get and i'm leaning towards importing one eventually... damn kiwis they got all the nice pugs we don't get 106's,309's etc,etc...
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    Pity about the oddball looks!

    I really, really wish Peugeot had built a 4 door hatch, in the style of the 205, with a 16V engine, and luxury trim - leather seats, bit of good sound deadening, etc. Would be perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nchandler
    Pity about the oddball looks!

    I really, really wish Peugeot had built a 4 door hatch, in the style of the 205, with a 16V engine, and luxury trim - leather seats, bit of good sound deadening, etc. Would be perfect.

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    buy a car like mine nick and drop the MI16 into it... theres a guy with a couple of them in brisbane maybe he'll sell you one... and for people who wanted to have a look at a GTI16 have a look at this http://www.hi-speed.dk/Joakim309.html.... also nick you're looking at BX's so why are you complaining about oddball looks ... also not 100% certain on this but in europe i think they did a 205 GTI16
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    309's are not Peugeot's finest moment in the design stakes. Pugly is a word I've heard used for them more than once. But ride/handling/space/toughness was all good. Rattly engines, and the GTI was a great car. Never saw a GTI with the 16v engine though - all the one's I saw had the 130bhp 1905cc engine. Would be an obvious choice for the Mi16 engine though. If you can (a) find one, that's (b) straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pom in a Pug
    309's are not Peugeot's finest moment in the design stakes. Pugly is a word I've heard used for them more than once. But ride/handling/space/toughness was all good. Rattly engines, and the GTI was a great car. Never saw a GTI with the 16v engine though - all the one's I saw had the 130bhp 1905cc engine. Would be an obvious choice for the Mi16 engine though. If you can (a) find one, that's (b) straight.
    the 309GTI16 was a special model makeing it rare as hens teeth and it was also only made left hand drive... i cant imagine it would be imposible to convert one to right hand drive though wit the amount of right hand drive 309's there were... it would be something i'd consider if i could get my hands on a GTI16

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    the thing is they aren't really a pug.......... they are a rebadged talbot and in that regard i'd rather have a tagora with a V6 in it thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    the thing is they aren't really a pug.......... they are a rebadged talbot and in that regard i'd rather have a tagora with a V6 in it thank you

    heh... if i was going to get a V6 and it had to be peugeot/talbot engined i'd go the whole hog and get myself a 450hp twin turbo aplpine

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    Your comments are all very much appreciated guys.

    The 309 I drove in Holland from memory wasn't a bad car at all. I distinctly remember though that I didn't see any last year in the UK as I remember that I was on the look out for them.

    I'm also spewing we didn't get the 106GTi. They look really cool and a rightful successor to the 205.
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    [QUOTE=Stone Free]

    I'm also spewing we didn't get the 106GTi [QUOTE]

    its not imposible to get one... or at least i don't think it would be as they were sold in NZ
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    Hmm, well I'd always appreciated that the 309s had rusted themselves off the roads in Britain. They really were shocking in the build quality areas. You see way more Citroen BX's and even Peugeot 305's than 309's now. I think that says enough about the longevity of 'em.
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    Well, the 309 was a Talbot Arizona, and in that sense a SIMCA/Chrysler Europe design, but the mechanicals are Peugeot, although the lower end models had SIMCA pushrod motors.

    The interior is also pretty Peugeot. If you discount the design of the body I would say it is Peugeot in nature.

    I had a 1988 309 SR, 1580cc XU motor with a Weber 36. 5 speed, electric windows, central locking, wasn't a bad car for $1100NZ. Although the Weber was shocking, would cause the most random stalling/non-starting problems, whereas my friend with a 405 GR, same 1580cc motor but with a Solex had no problems. In hindsight I would have kept the car and resolved the carb issues.

    Overall the 309's are good value for money. Roomy, nice typical X05 Peugeot handling. Just imagine them as a bigger 205.

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    why did they designate it 309 anyway?? They went backwards with their numbering to the 306 and now 307. Would've been better with a 305 designation.
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    Nick, I don't think the 309's were that badly built.

    Mine had a few rust issues over time but nothing major. Sure they weren't built like a 504 but overall a fairly solid car. Even after a 277,000km's mine was fairly solid and the motor was still strong except for the carb problems.

    However you are right in that it was little niggly things that caused problems like the carb, the drivers door didn't shut properly and an electric window.

    But overall no worse than a similar era Peugeot, say that of a 205 or 405.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis
    Nick, I don't think the 309's were that badly built.

    Mine had a few rust issues over time but nothing major. Sure they weren't built like a 504 but overall a fairly solid car. Even after a 277,000km's mine was fairly solid and the motor was still strong except for the carb problems.

    However you are right in that it was little niggly things that caused problems like the carb, the drivers door didn't shut properly and an electric window.

    But overall no worse than a similar era Peugeot, say that of a 205 or 405.
    i know what you meen about the weber 36 i beleive i have the same engine and carb in my car and the carb is giving me no end of trouble at the moment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone Free
    why did they designate it 309 anyway??. Would've been better with a 305 designation.
    What?

    How could they designate it the 305 when the 305 already existed and was on sale?

    Basically until the last minute the '309' was going to be on sale as the 'Talbot Arizona', successor to the 'Talbot Horizon'.

    But by that stage the Talbot marque or in other words SIMCA/Chrysler Europe had just about had it. So it was decided to wind down the Talbot brand. It seemed to be near impossible for PSA to maintain Peugeot, Citroen and Chrysler Europe as seperate brands.

    Therefore I guess it was seen as more beneficial to release the Arizona as a Peugeot.

    Why 309? Because it didn't fit in with the current model structure, it was an anomalie (sp?). The '9 reflected this. It did not represent a major leap from the 305, given they both shared the same underpinnings, and the fact the 305 was still in it's prime technically. Then there was the fact it did not fit into the 40X class and the 405 was already planned anyway.

    So 309 it was.

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    Oh, sorry, I didn't realise that there was a 305 already. My niavity is appalling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orestes
    i know what you meen about the weber 36 i beleive i have the same engine and carb in my car and the carb is giving me no end of trouble at the moment
    Yes, looking at a PDF I think you have the same XU5-IC motor with a Weber 36 TLP.

    The problems I encountered with it:

    A) Initially, hot starting was difficult. I quickly put this down to technique, giving it no throttle initially, once I could hear it firing I would give it a tiny fraction of throttle. If you hot-started it incorrectly you would have to wait awhile to start it again.

    B) Every once in awhile, you would go to start it from cold and it would refuse to start. Come back 20 minutes later and it would fire first time.

    C) By the end of the cars life, it would just stall at random when you pulled up to a stop, refuse to restart then 20 minutes or whenever later, it would fire first time.

    If I were you I would be very tempted to get rid of the entire carb. My friend had a 405 GR, 1580cc but with a Solex carb, auto-choke. He suffered no problems at all in terms of fuel/carb issues. I'm sure with some thinking it would be possible to attach a Solex to your motor.

    Otherwise I was told by my 'Peugeot man' who works on my cars that someone on the North Shore, a Weber specialist can overcome these problems. Obviously this is no use to you given you are in Australia but I would seek out some people in the know regarding Weber carbs and just gather as much info you can on these motors/carbs so you can choose the appropriate action. I found things only got worse with the carb.

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    I drove a diesel 309 hire car in England in 1990. It was brand new, I think it had about 20 miles on it when I got it (it was registered the day before). I put quite a few hundred miles on it and was very impressed with the way it drove, especially how well the diesel went and its economy. I wasn't too concerned about its looks or build quality as I hadn't bought it but I remember that it was a good size for one and bags and narrow English roads.

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    How much are the 309 GTI's going for over in NZ?

    Surely they must be getting around 15 years of age so they can be imported under the 15 year scheme or am i wrong???

    Did they run the same motor as the 205?

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    How much are the 309 GTI's going for over in NZ?

    Surely they must be getting around 15 years of age so they can be imported under the 15 year scheme or am i wrong???

    Did they run the same motor as the 205?

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    if i remember corectly from asking a few NZ members on here... and you may want to ask one to clarify this... but from memory you can find a GTI for sub $1000 NZ... and yes depending on the year it was built they are 15 years old cars which would make them quite cheap and easy to import... it would make quite a nice car and an especially nice toy if you turned it into a GTI16... its got me thinking about it more now
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    It is only more recently that the UK has gone to the EU style number plates. I think they started coming out last year? Either way there are still many cars running around with the old number plates. It isn't a bad system.

    As for the 309, I was talking about the niggling little things. We had one in the family, and it suffered many little electronic problems, a leaky hatch and carby problems. It was a comfy car though, and inspired my relatives who owned it to replace it with a 405 (which also suffered from electronic problems, leaks and rust). They are looking at a C2 now
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    Yes 309 GTI's have the same XU9 motor as the 205 GTI.

    Although I am not sure of specific differences ie compression. But they both have the underlying XU9 injected motor.

    As far as getting one for under $1000NZ, I don't know about that. I don't think you would get one with WOF+REG that cheap. But I guess it is possible.

    Having said that you could definetely pick a reasonable condition one up for $2000NZ.

    I would budget anywhere between $1000 - $4000NZ for a reasonable condition 309 GTI.
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