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    Default Green Cotton panel air filter for 206 Gti180

    Just thought I'll share this with fellow Gti180 owners. If you are interested in getting a Green Cotton panel air filter for your Gti180 here's the info:

    - The part number for the filter you want is #P950356
    - There are two cleaning kits: Small #NH02, good for a few cleans, and the large #NH01, which should do 10+ cleans
    - You can also get a Green Cotton Twister Cold Air Intake Kit (#DW154)

    Call EBC Brakes in Melbourne on 03 9462 3210 and they'll give you a contact number for a local supplier. Alternatively you can order the parts from: http://www.autospeed.com/cgi-bin/browse.cgi. The pricing is pretty similar.

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    What are the advantages of getting this kit, can you notice them

    http://www.autospeed.com/cgi-bin/bro...uct=1003630244

    Is this the replacement your talking about and how much did u get it for
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    thats wat i will be change soon,k&n or green cotton just seeing wat the prices are ,i will not be putting a pod on it just will be a waste or time and money
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    I'm just getting the panel air filter, which will just replace the existing one.

    Price wise:

    NH01: Green Cotton Air Filter Cleaning Kit - $54.95
    P950356: Green Cotton OE $109.94
    Freight: $7.00

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    Quote Originally Posted by david206180
    i read someware recently that the oil used on this type of filter can over time make the linkages in the throttle body become sticky,,,do you know if there is any truth behind this theory or just a marketing ploy to but other types of filters


    Not sue if this is true on a 180, but it's true with other cars. It used to be a real issue on Webbers and SU's... and older injection throttle bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 666
    I'm just getting the panel air filter, which will just replace the existing one.

    Price wise:

    NH01: Green Cotton Air Filter Cleaning Kit - $54.95
    P950356: Green Cotton OE $109.94
    Freight: $7.00

    can you let me know when you're ordering yours, as I'll get mine at the same time.

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    I'm not too sure about the oil leaks cos I'm pretty new to these stuff. Hopefully it's not true or else!

    I've just put an order through at Autoweb last Thursday. Hopefully it'll get delivered to me sometime this week.

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    i dunno about TB linkages, but i know the K&N filter oil caused the AFM on my Ford 5 litre V8 to report erratic voltages - leading to a lean burn and associated overheating problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david206180
    have you already fitted the green cotton filter yet, if so, have you noticed a differance for the better ovet the oem filter,
    The parts will get to me before the end of the week. I'll let you know about the improvements once I've installed it. But from what I can guess, it'll probably just add a few more horse power to the car and produce a deeper induction note. Some might ask why would you bother? I guess this is one of the cheapest mod that you can do that won't affect your warranty/insurance.

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    I finally installed my Green Cotton air filter this morning! But came very close to giving up!

    Here my tips:

    - Use a really tight fitting screw driver cos the 4 screws that hold the air filter box is really hard to unscrew! I was crusing at the screw with every turn.
    - Unattach the rubber hose that connects the air filter box to the engine completely. This will give you more room to access the inner screw
    - Find 4 replacement screws. The old one are $^!$^&$&*@# and I give up at trying to screw them back in. I'm starting to think that the Pug engineers must have done this one purpose so that people won't play around the air filter?

    Final results:

    - Low down power has definitely improved. The engine revs easily and smoothly from idle.
    - High end power has also improve as well. Normally the engine revs at about 4000rpm when I crusie at 110kmp but it has now drop to about 3500rpm.

    So I would highly recommend this cheap mod for all. Let me know if you have installed a replacement filter and got similar results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 666
    - High end power has also improve as well. Normally the engine revs at about 4000rpm when I crusie at 110kmp but it has now drop to about 3500rpm.

    So I would highly recommend this cheap mod for all. Let me know if you have installed a replacement filter and got similar results.

    i'm confused here

    how can a filter change your gearing ????

    the car has a manual box so if it sits at 4000rpm @110km/h it will do so no matter what air filter you put in the car unless you change the final drive ratio or the tyre size
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    That's no correct. The car sits at 4000rpm @110km/h because of it's orginal engine characteristics. If you start modding the engine then obvious the power/revs will change as well. In the air filter's case, with the increase in air flow, the engine does not need to rev as hard in order to keep the car moving at that speed (due to the increase in power).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 666
    That's no correct. The car sits at 4000rpm @110km/h because of it's orginal engine characteristics. If you start modding the engine then obvious the power/revs will change as well. In the air filter's case, with the increase in air flow, the engine does not need to rev as hard in order to keep the car moving at that speed (due to the increase in power).
    In your opinion, how much extra power did you get with the new filter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 666
    That's no correct. The car sits at 4000rpm @110km/h because of it's orginal engine characteristics. If you start modding the engine then obvious the power/revs will change as well. In the air filter's case, with the increase in air flow, the engine does not need to rev as hard in order to keep the car moving at that speed (due to the increase in power).


    you can mod the engine and change things there but your gearing will still be the same and you still have a solid link driving the car bieng the clutch and box

    by changing the air filter i am still at a loss as to how that has saved you 500rpm @ 110km/h

    yes you may have gained more power but your gearing is still static as it left the showroom floor

    the car will still do [email protected]/h no matter what you do to the air fiilter in top gear

    the only way you can cruise at that speed at less RPM is to physically change the gearing in the box/diff or change tyre size
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    ......change tyre size
    And even then, the speedo/tacho will still show the same revs at the same speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macquered
    And even then, the speedo/tacho will still show the same revs at the same speed.

    that's true

    but you can see the point i am making ?

    you can't change the revs at a certain speed in a certain gear just by changing the air fiilter especially in a manual car as it has a direct drive

    you can't change x revs @ x speed unless gearing is changed as the motor still has to do x amount of revs to do x speed in x gear

    in this case the car was doing 4000rpm @ 110km/h in 5th gear (666 is this right ?)

    now then after an air filter change the car will still do 4000rpm @ 110km/h in 5th gear as nothing in the drive train has been altered

    if you tacho is now reading 3500rpm @ 110km/h in 5th gear then i'd be having a word to your local dealer to see what the hell is going on with your instruments as they are playing games with you
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    I think we all see the point here.... funniest thing I've read since the turbo thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTI124
    I think we all see the point here.... funniest thing I've read since the turbo thread...

    i have heard this same statement made by a few people over the years and it has always amazed me that they actually stand by it

    i knew one bloke that had a 240Z datsun 5 speed and he put extractors on it and then came back and said that he can now cruise at lower revs at the same speed and to think this bloke is a fitter/machinist and is now in a managment role for a mining company
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    edit: Ahhh sorry, everyone's already said he's an idiot.
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    Yes, Jude. Even if an engine is "freeer" (although I think we all doubt that it is), doesn't mean its revs vs speed will change. If you ran a heavier fly wheel, you could "coast" more than normal and would need less throttle input to maintain speed, right? Is speed purely dependent on gear ratios only?

    That is, increased friction in the drive train (fly wheel, tyres, road surface) would all ensure a differing level of revs was required for the same speed. My thoughts are that with the change of filter, the "road test" was conducted downhill on a smooth road...or with a tailwind...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTI124

    That is, increased friction in the drive train (fly wheel, tyres, road surface) would all ensure a differing level of revs was required for the same speed. My thoughts are that with the change of filter, the "road test" was conducted downhill on a smooth road...or with a tailwind...

    if that were the case then the clutch must have been slipping before he put the filter in and now it's not

    once foot is off clutch and car is in gear there is nothing that a filter replacement is going to do to change revs/km in x gear

    this poor fella i think needs a quick lesson on what a gearbox and clutch actually do
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    .....hmmmm...I do go further and remove the throtle body (just another restriction) alltogether....just run a 3 inch pipe from the filter box straight to the manifold...at 110 donwhill...i reckon u could get the thing to cruise below idle....Subliminal advertising anyone?????


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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    if that were the case then the clutch must have been slipping before he put the filter in and now it's not

    once foot is off clutch and car is in gear there is nothing that a filter replacement is going to do to change revs/km in x gear

    this poor fella i think needs a quick lesson on what a gearbox and clutch actually do
    I don't disagree that with all other conditions being equal that the filter would make no difference to revs.

    I'm saying that if you did a "road test" on a downhill smooth road with a strong tailwind...like we've had in Sydney recently...then could you see 500rpm less revs at the same speed? Such a variance could be independent of gear ratios, no?

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    hehehhe.....it would HAVE TO BE bloody gusty and a very steep decline....like going off a cliff....NO?



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