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    Hi the time has come to buy tyres for my 404 ute restoration ,what is the best size ?
    195/70/15 are available will they fit or do I need 195/65/15 to help with gearing I want the largest diameter tyre that will fit more so than a wide tyre. My 404 sedan has 165/80/15 that are 645mm in dia
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    What is the rim width?

    What are your priorities across the tyre performance profile?

    A useful link for tyre size comparisons is:

    https://tiresize.com/comparison/

    One for the suitability of rims for a given tyre size is:

    https://www.tyresizecalculator.com/t...ize-calculator

    By reference to my own priorities (wet grip, benign limit behaviour & responsiveness to pressure tuning of handling balance) I'd be fitting 195/65-15 Conti Premium Contact 5. The minimum rim size is 5.5.

    195/70 is populated by van tyres - to be avoided unless you are needing the structural strength to cope with lots of rough road driving.

    YMMV, Peter

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    Thanks Peter the rim width inside the bead is 5 inches and total width is 6.25 inches. I am happy to use light truck tyres as the ute will be used for trips to the tip etc, the main issue is size availability and clearing the strut tower.

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    If it has a standard diff it will be around 4.6 to 1 so a bigger tyre would be beneficial for the gearing.

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    Hi it has a 3.89 diff I have just looked at a 404 ute and wagon they both have 185/80/15 tyres that just clear the spring base .
    According to tyre size calculator the tyre outside diameter is 678 mm which going by my measurements is too big ! but they work.
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    504 ratio if it has a standard 404 engine stay small with the tyres.
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    The ute will have a 505 square port Stew is putting together so it should have plenty of horse power I have fitted a ba 7/5 gearbox but am having trouble getting the column shift linkage to work.

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    That will have tall gearing then, tyres plus the 3.9 diff. The BA7/5 usually runs with a 4.11 diff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty 404 View Post
    Thanks Peter the rim width inside the bead is 5 inches and total width is 6.25 inches. I am happy to use light truck tyres as the ute will be used for trips to the tip etc, the main issue is size availability and clearing the strut tower.
    Hmm! Given the rim width, you are constrained.

    195/70 will fit but gives you a minimal circumference change of 1.2%. Hardly worth the downside of having van tyres. You might be taking loads to the tip but they'd hardly demand the weight capacity of an XL van tyre in 195/70. If worried, simply increase pressures on smaller, lower weight-rated, tyres.

    195/65 is out but two better options obtain unless taller gearing is deemed more important than capability in an emergency brake &/or swerve in the wet.

    One is to stick with 165/80. Hankook's K715 is available in this size &, although not a rival for the PC5, it's a decent wet option.

    The other is to lower gearing by about 3.50 % & tolerate that as the price for access to the Conti PC5 in 185/65. Personally, I wouldn't fuss over the slightly lower gearing & rejoice over the other merits of the PC5 thus gained - but YMMV.

    If 195/70 will fit & you decide on it, then one non-van tyre is available: Dunlop's SP10. Hardly a class leader but I'd guess it to be better dynamically (especially in the wet) than the commercial alternatives in 195/70. This option will be dearer than 185/65 PC5.

    185/80 simply has no tyres available which are prudent to use (the K715 is no longer available in this size).

    cheers! Peter
    Last edited by 4cvg; 19th January 2020 at 12:06 AM.

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    One way of getting the column shift to work is to use a short length of cable.

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    Thanks for your ideas Graham and 4cvg I will try and get some photos of my gear linkage set up on my 404 ute restoration story.
    You are right light truck tyres are a big compromise for the amount of carting I will be doing ,From where I live most drives involve a trip on the M1 freeway I have been spoilt by modern cars ,driving the 404 sedan although it is happy to drive all day at 60 mph it is revving with the ute I am not after outright speed and power just a vehicle that will travel at the speed limit economically and easily.
    I like conti tyres and will investigate 185/65 option.
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    404 sedan has a 4.2 ratio. Your ute with a 4 speed is 3.89, with BA7/5 top gear will be around 2.9! Choose smaller tyres or you never be in 5th gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty 404 View Post
    Thanks for your ideas Graham and 4cvg I will try and get some photos of my gear linkage set up on my 404 ute restoration story.
    You are right light truck tyres are a big compromise for the amount of carting I will be doing ,From where I live most drives involve a trip on the M1 freeway I have been spoilt by modern cars ,driving the 404 sedan although it is happy to drive all day at 60 mph it is revving with the ute I am not after outright speed and power just a vehicle that will travel at the speed limit economically and easily.
    I like conti tyres and will investigate 185/65 option.
    Marty
    Just be wary: Conti have two offerings in 185/65-15. One is the afore-mentioned & recommended Premium Contact5. The other is the ComfortContact6. I'd avoid it (soggy handling behaviour & poor wet grip).

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    I have Michelin Agillis 195R15c tyres on my 404 ute but they are on 4 stud 505 steel wagon rims. The tyres are about 6mm from the strut tower on the corner of the tyres. Tyre diameter 690mm .
    Graham is 100% spot on with his gearing concerns.
    You could keep yours eyes open for a 505 GTi (LSD) manual wagon diff as it will pop straight in. They are a 4.2 ratio.
    Regards Bob
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    I have ZETUM 195/60x15's.

    They seem fine so far.
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    I went to a tyre shop who after a long look at what is available could only recommend 185r15 light truck 677mm diameter only available from Nankang in this size and not that cheap.
    Are the Zetum tyres light truck or car.
    With the 5 speed gearbox the gear change linkage from 3/4 1/2 5/r works nicely but the linkage that changes plane is very stiff and quite short and overloads that column lever I have a overhauled BA 7/4 that I can fit if need be .The 3.89 diff has an 505 LSD fitted so I will stick with it for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marty 404 View Post
    I went to a tyre shop who after a long look at what is available could only recommend 185r15 light truck 677mm diameter only available from Nankang in this size and not that cheap.
    Are the Zetum tyres light truck or car.
    With the 5 speed gearbox the gear change linkage from 3/4 1/2 5/r works nicely but the linkage that changes plane is very stiff and quite short and overloads that column lever I have a overhauled BA 7/4 that I can fit if need be .The 3.89 diff has an 505 LSD fitted so I will stick with it for now.
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    Geeze Marty, how do I tell? They aren't marked as such. There's another word on them as well as ZETUM: "SOLUS"

    I've taken a couple of photos.

    I got them at the local Bob Jane's.

    I can't remember the price which is a sure sign they were cheap!
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    Thanks I will look them up

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    Quote Originally Posted by geodon View Post
    I have ZETUM 195/60x15's.

    They seem fine so far.
    You won't know how good they are until you have to brake or swerve hard in the wet. Worth experimenting to see how they behave (especially limit behaviour). I know nothing about them from test results but surmise that they are potentially problematic. 195/60-15 has quite a good short list of tyres available but the size requires a 5.5" rim. It's not a "light truck" or van tyre but a passenger tyre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob D View Post
    Marty
    I have Michelin Agillis 195R15c tyres on my 404 ute but they are on 4 stud 505 steel wagon rims. The tyres are about 6mm from the strut tower on the corner of the tyres. Tyre diameter 690mm .
    Graham is 100% spot on with his gearing concerns.
    You could keep yours eyes open for a 505 GTi (LSD) manual wagon diff as it will pop straight in. They are a 4.2 ratio.
    Regards Bob
    195/80-15 would fit a 5" rim but the Agilis is a truck/van tyre which does not prioritise wet grip. Personally I'd avoid it unless you needed that strength of construction or prioritised long life over wet grip.

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    I wondered what I meant: YMMV is an abbreviation for “Your Mileage May Vary.” Basically, it means one person’s experience with a product may be different from another’s.
    YMMV is often used in online forums to describe credit cards…

    • Whose terms vary from cardholder to cardholder;
    • That don’t have clear-cut approval requirements; or
    • With offers that are available only for a limited time or to certain people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whippet View Post
    I wondered what I meant: YMMV is an abbreviation for “Your Mileage May Vary.” Basically, it means one person’s experience with a product may be different from another’s.
    YMMV is often used in online forums to describe credit cards…

    • Whose terms vary from cardholder to cardholder;
    • That don’t have clear-cut approval requirements; or
    • With offers that are available only for a limited time or to certain people.
    In this case, I meant not that someone's experience might differ but that someone's priorities might differ.

    I think that everyone's experience of the Agilis versus the PC5 would be that the latter was markedly superior in the wet in both objective grip terms & subjective feel & talkative & responsive limit behaviour.

    But people might exist who do not so prioritise wet grip but, rather, favour longevity. (These qualities are opposed in the compounding they demand.) Or favour a capacity to carry very heavy loads or withstand rough road driving. On such parameters of appraisal, the Agilis is superior to the PC5.

    I wouldn't buy the Agilis given my priorities but if I did, my experience of it would be the same as someone who favoured it: longer life but lousier wet grip.

    cheers! Peter
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    Peter
    Agilis have excellent wet grip.
    Bob

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    I went to a recommended tyre shop who found some cheaper 185r15 light truck tyres and was happy to get one in to try we fitted it too the rim I took it home and tried it on the ute it was an excellent fit that looked right unfortunately although a brand new tyre it is 6 years old ,back to square one at least I know the size that I like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob D View Post
    Peter
    Agilis have excellent wet grip.
    Bob
    hmm!

    We might just have to leave this at the "agree to disagree" level.

    Much depends on the standards being applied. I don't suggest cheap-Chinese-dreadful levels of lethality in the wet, just comparative mediocrity. Try a sudden swerve in the wet & appraise limit behaviour & an emergency stop in the wet & see how it behaves at the threshold of grip.

    That's quite general advice for anyone on any tyre fitment but of significance in prearming oneself with knowledge of what the tyre will do under stress - the Agilis might unpleasantly surprise you. I suggest the PC5 would be mega-excellent by your criteria of appraisal.

    Cheers! Peter
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