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    HORROR STORY.In 2015, I foolishly went to a private Pug/Citroen mechanic to replace the clutch on the French Tart (207cc Sport).They drained the gearbox fluid in order to get at the bell housing, etc.They did a crap job, with the clutch shuddering after the work was done, so I took it back and they did it right.Yesterday, I decided to change the gearbox oil as I have done prior before the clutch replacement.Used this stuff – recommended:https://www.redlineoil.com/mt-90-75w...4-gear-oilWhen I removed the drain plug, SHOCK, HORROR, about 100 mill of fluid came out!It has never leaked since the clutch change, so the fools forgot to replace the fluid at clutch change time. That means the French Tart has done 50,000 kilometres with no fluid in the gearbox.There was no metal filings or stuff on the drain plug thank goodness and as the car did only short runs during this period, the gears seem to be OK. Tough little box. So, I refilled with two litres of fluid and took her for a spin. Yes, noise (a slight rumbling) from the front left had disappeared and the car pulls better in all gears.I think I got away with it. I hate anyone working on my cars, but in this case, I had no choice.

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    Oh my freaking gawd ! You should have put the oil in a small jar and taken it to them....with a choice comment or two.

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    How odd ! For the first time ever, I could not edit my post here. Even using a different browser...

    Anyway, I wanted to add :

    You're not off the hook yet, dude. I had an old 504 which leaked gearbox oil (as they do) and when I checked it about the same amount of oil came out. It lasted a year / 20,000 then shat the synchros.

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    A shot of Nulon gearbox additive will help. Quietens , extends life, & usually improves change. I've used it on all my Citroens since 1970.
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    With that box I would be especially worried about the input shaft bearing weak as piss keep an ear out for light grinding noise on and off the throttle


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    Re. Editing posts - I have had same problem today.

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    Can't edit my original post. All squished up . . .After today I am confident all will be OK.I have always used Redline MT90. Expensive but IMO, the best.https://www.redlineoil.com/mt-90-75w...gear-oilWhenIt is a good thing that only short runs have been made, and now that I have retired the French Tart, it will most likely do only 3,000 kilometres a year now. Saved in the breath of time. I noticed (as you would) smoother shifting; more pulling power and small reduction in gearbox noise.
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    Phew...
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    Now sell it to reinforce the rumour that french cars have fragile gearboxes.You were lucky. My wife took her Honda for a timing belt change and they put it one tooth off. Luckily the timing was retarded and the car had no power at all. Had they missed the other way, it would have been game over for the engine.Retards.Our cars have seen mechanics only twice in their entire life and we had problems both times.
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    Yeap. Editing posts doesn't work.
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    Das computermachine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitssparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken bei das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets-relaxen und watch das blinkenlights.

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    I was lucky, and goes to show how strong the Pug MA5 gearbox is. The shock has now passed. Yes, I cringe when taking any car to a mechanic. I attempt to do everything myself. However in the last three years I have found a private Pug specialist that I trust. Another service horror - eight years ago, the Pug dealership service idiots removed the front wheels and forgot to tighten the wheel bolts on the front left wheel. I noticed it when washing the Tart as one bolt had fallen out and the other three were hand loose. It is such a shame that this happens and gives the marque a tarnished name, all because of grease monkeys!
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    Another gearbox story. My mate's wife had a Holden Astra about 15 years ago. I said I would change the manual gearbox oil. Now, this oil is specified to last a lifetime - yeah, sure. You had to remove the bottom gearbox plate to employ the oil, replace the plate gasket and secure, then slowly fill the gearbox through a small breather hole - like the Tart's. The gearbox specifications state that the gearbox holds 1.8 litres of oil. However, the old oil that came from the gearbox was only 800 mill. No leaks ever. Just think, Opel makes 300,000 Astra's and fills only 800 mill saving 300,000 litres! Big bucks here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by citroenut View Post
    A shot of Nulon gearbox additive will help. Quietens , extends life, & usually improves change. I've used it on all my Citroens since 1970.
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    I have a hunch as to why the Tart's MA5 gearbox lasted well for 50K kilometres.Short trips during that time and I had previously replaced the gearbox oil twice before with Redline.It may have been this oil, that coated the cogs so well.Redline uses base stock jet turbine oil and works it from there . . .https://www.redlineoil.com/mt-90-75w90-gl-4-gear-oil
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