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    pedal placement

    I was flicking through some old car magazines and found a review of the 206 shortly after it came out. It mentions that the pedals are far to close together for people with big feet to drive well.

    I have sat in a 206, and after looking at some photos of the interior I'd have to say that they are no closer together than the pedals in my 505. I'm used to it now (when I first got my 505 my left heel would rub against my right foot if i was using the clutch and brake at the same time).

    I've also got fairly large feet (AUS 10.5 men) and tend to wear chunky shoes too... I suppose people are used to japanese cars with boring pedal placements

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    Not all Pugs seem to have this snug pedal placement. I wonder why?

    something to think about :p clown clown
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    Apparently, the conversion to RHD makes the pedal placement issue worse. You often lose the footrest for instance.

    I find the 307 is fine.

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    Yeah, my car doens't have a foot rest. I sat in a 307 at the last motor show and was impressed by its pedals clown
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    take a 203 for a drive and take note on the pedals going through the floor then hop back into a 206 you will think that you are heaven in it then
    i did find though that mums 206 pedals were a little closer together than my 306 ones but they are very well placed for heel and toeing
    i don't know if the alloy (peugeot) pedals are any bigger than the original ones but that's what she has in her car (she hasn't grown out of the hoon stage yet )
    i know peugeot make it pretty easy to convert 604's to fit a clutch pedal in all you need is the pedal the rest is already there
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    In my opinion, the brake and accelerator pedals in the 505 are too far apart.

    Most 504s are even worse, you have to really twist your foot to heal-toe.

    I found a solution 6 years ago. I was sold a 504 accelerator pedal (from some special model I don't know) which puts the accelerator only an inch or so from the brake. It's great for heal-toeing. There's still a small height miss-match, however, but it's not bad.

    404s, Fuegos, Escorts and Cortinas have the best pedal placement of all. You just rock your foot from side to side in order to heal-toe. They're great.

    The other bad thing about the 504/505 pedals is that the clutch pedal is too far away (atleast it is for my little legs). I fixed this problem on my 504 by attaching an extra 10mm or so of material to the pedal pad (I also removed the unnecessary spring from the pedal to reduce its undepressed height and lighten the pedal).

    The gearstick on 504s/505s is also too far away, but I fixed this by modifying the shift to make the movements shorter, so that you don't have to push the gearstick so far forward to select 1st.

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    What is it about the Frenchie ergonomics? In my experience (which is admittedly very limited) French cars seem to have some of the worst ergonomics on this side of a BMW i-Drive.

    Two cases in point are the French cars I've driven recently. One, the Renault Scenic which has some of the worst ergonomics I have ever seen. Bus driver rake, stupid pedal design, buttons the size of mobile phone buttons, the list goes on...The other is the Pug 306. Weird pedal placement and one has to lean over to just to reach the gearshift.

    Stupid button placement, gear knobs placed too far for natural arm reach, stupid pedal design, stoopid dash layout, are the French on some sort of mission to punish the human body? mallet
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    ahhhh french cars god bless'm, these so called ergonomic promblems and fandangs is just pish-posh! The REAL meaning is PANACHE, CHARACTER and style......sure its not to everyones taste, but if u think frenchies desing is horibble, ever driven a pre 97 Porsche at full tilt, or a 70's Alfa GTV???? oh boy theres some fun, what about the pedals in an original MINI! woah , the column shift on a xu-1 torana?! yeah.. also the door handles on most ferraries, have they ever done one right, after drivin most ( and ashamedly owining a couple) ive come to love the frenchie stylee.......... even if its not as humble as the rice cars..lol ---cheeers X

    ps. my part time job is at a posh hotel, as a valet driver and ive more or less diven it all, ull be suprised what u can achive in a carpark!!lol
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    LOL I agree completely Dave!

    I learnt to drive a manual car in a Honda CRX and Subaru Outback wagon, both with very easy driving positions, pedals all in good places, etc.

    It took a little while to get used to the 505! I think the clutch is too close to the brake pedal, and the break pedal is too far away from the accelerator!

    The clutch travel is one of the first things I noticed - the pedal has a very long reach but you don't actually need to push it all the way down! Quite funny really.

    Heel 'n toe is impossible! I've done some, ah, interesting things to the poor old thing when trying to do a propper double-declutch while braking eek!

    I'm used to the long, soft shift of the gearbox. In my car 2nd appears to be down and to the left from first You use a similar hand action as when you shift from 3rd to 2nd wink

    Over all, I think I'm used to it all, but it would be nice to have the accelerator at the same height as the brake, and closer to it. I just figure that the French must have either short legs or really long arms! clown clown
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    I can see how people who have driven other cars before a 505 can feel the difference but as I learnt on a 505 I get into other cars and free right cramped with the pedals.

    Dont mind the space, although I well and trully agree about the clutch being too long for us with short legs!

    The write up for the new FWD Jag seems a little strange, apparently the pedals are to the LEFT of center!! eek!

    No room on the left for a foot rest and TOO MUCH room on the right. Weird.

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    at first i thought the pedals in my 206 were too close for me, (size 12 shoes) but as i drove it longer, i got used to it even though sometimes if im braking and down gearing at the same time dat my shoes rub, then again, im waiting to put some metal racing pedals in, so i might hav to spread my pedals out a bit
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    Yeah, Mi16 is a bit funny but only when you are being lazy and are tired.

    I think it is a big suprise to idiots who are driving 2 feet (read; most of Sydney drivers! ) behind me when I accidentally hit the brakes as my boot pushes the clutch in. The brakes have instant bite and they bite hard even on the lightest touch. I am waiting for someone to hit me one day, either with their car or their fists as I am sure some road rage goose with think it is a 'message' to get off my ass.

    The 405 must have 2 floorpans developed by Pug for a LHD & RHD build. I have a footrest built in to the chassis/floor. I have lifted up the carpet and it is not a bolt on job. The only 'shared' piece is the bonnet which has a sculpted area where the brake booster reservoir would sit. There are no 'spare' holes for windscreen wipers like I have seen on some Bimmers.

    That may have been when they introduced the British factory to build the RHD cars.
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