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    Default Questions re 504 Familiale Wagon...

    Hi,

    I’m considering buying one of these but wondering if someone can help me please with these questions:

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    1) What is the braked towing limit of the Australian version? (unbraked too please if you happen to know it)
    2) I believe 604 parts can be used to convert these cars to power steering. Correct? Parts availability? Degree of difficulty and ballpark costs?
    3) What’s involved in adapting them to run well on unleaded fuel with no “issues”?
    4) I believe the manual can be converted to run a 5 speed? Best to use a Peugeot gearbox (day 505?) or maybe something like a Celica? Logistics and ballpark costs?
    5) Can the (optional) aircon be upgraded to operate efficiently using current eco friendly gas? Ballpark cost?
    6) Anyone know of a very good Familiale example for sale? (Or maybe a good late 505?)

    Many thanks if you can help me with these queries.

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    Winlam

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    2. use 505 parts. besides all the steering system itself you'll need also the crossmember, crankshaft pulley, timing belt cover and rocker cover.

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    Ok, thanks for that 👍

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    Buy a 505wagon will have power steer an a better air con for a start

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    I agree.....you have to be an absolute enthusiast with a streak of masochism to be doing all that work on a 504. Parts are getting harder and harder to get. I'm even going to sell my 505 soon....

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    i did this conversion in my 505.

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    I did this conversion a few years ago on my 504 cab and had to change the crossmember tierod ends etc and steering columb and move the alternator 'which you wouldn't have to do ' Also the exhaust pipe had to be re routed around the thicker columb . I got all parts from PUGWRECK . Well wourth it in the end
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    Quote Originally Posted by julian c b View Post
    I did this conversion a few years ago on my 504 cab and had to change the crossmember tierod ends etc and steering columb and move the alternator 'which you wouldn't have to do ' Also the exhaust pipe had to be re routed around the thicker columb . I got all parts from PUGWRECK . Well wourth it in the end
    what's the alternator has to do with that?

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    To make room for the power steering pump, alternator is underneath on a fuel injected car.
    I have standard steering on my 504 wagon, feather light after fitting new tyres. I towed a 405 on a trailer from Melbourne to Mt Gambier and back over the weekend. Had to use 3rd on some hills and 2nd on another couple of steep ones but cruised on the flat at 100km/h and was stable. Engine (XN1 square port) a lot more willing than the Douvrin in the 505.
    Not so good on poor surfaces though with some pitching, maybe new rear shocks would improve this?


    Quote Originally Posted by 2pac View Post
    what's the alternator has to do with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2pac View Post
    2. use 505 parts. besides all the steering system itself you'll need also the crossmember, crankshaft pulley, timing belt cover and rocker cover.
    Is the change of cross member, pulleys etc to fit the pump in?

    If so, why not just change the rack itself (direct change over fit?) and use an electric pump?
    The pump from a 307, or Merc A class, or Holden Astra should plumb up without any issue, wiring is pretty easy too.
    You should make sure your alternator and battery are in good condition, but the pump is mostly just idle or runs at low pressure. It's only during stationary parking maneuvers that they draw ~60-80A briefly.
    206 GTi 180 - '804 Cat Cams, Jenvey DBW 48mm ITB's, Emtron KV8 ECU, HP Electronik PDM, AIM MXS Dash, Custom Wiring Harness. AST Camber Tops & Coilovers, -2deg camber hubs by Frogstomp Racing, 24mm Torsion Bars, AP Racing brakes, PeugeotSport Baffled Sump, Oil cooler, Quaife LSD, E85.

    Sandown - 1:31.5
    Winton - 1:40.2
    Wakefield - 1:13.5
    Phillip Island - 1:55.9
    Nürburgring - 10:23.ish (Fiesta ST)

    Previously, 2x 504 Wagon, 505 Wagon, 505 STi, 405.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    I towed a 405 on a trailer from Melbourne to Mt Gambier and back over the weekend. Had to use 3rd on some hills and 2nd on another couple of steep ones but cruised on the flat at 100km/h and was stable. Engine (XN1 square port) a lot more willing than the Douvrin in the 505.
    I have a childhood nostalgia about 504 and 505 wagons, but this is reminding me perhaps why not to buy one.
    My AWD turbo diesel wagon (not SUV) tows the race car ~1700kg gross trailer weight. Cruises at 110km/h no issues with hills. It rarely changes down from 6th except for the steeper grades. It's even possible to safely overtake someone with only slightly more care than usual.
    Highway fuel consumption of ~7.5l/100 without trailer, ~11.5l/100 with trailer.
    206 GTi 180 - '804 Cat Cams, Jenvey DBW 48mm ITB's, Emtron KV8 ECU, HP Electronik PDM, AIM MXS Dash, Custom Wiring Harness. AST Camber Tops & Coilovers, -2deg camber hubs by Frogstomp Racing, 24mm Torsion Bars, AP Racing brakes, PeugeotSport Baffled Sump, Oil cooler, Quaife LSD, E85.

    Sandown - 1:31.5
    Winton - 1:40.2
    Wakefield - 1:13.5
    Phillip Island - 1:55.9
    Nürburgring - 10:23.ish (Fiesta ST)

    Previously, 2x 504 Wagon, 505 Wagon, 505 STi, 405.

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