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    Hi all,

    Brand new to the forum as I have just invested in a 206 GTI 180 with a couple of guys to become a dedicated track car & am doing extreme amounts of research on anything & everything in relation to our setup. The car will soon be taken off the road as we are soon to install a roll cage hence no longer being road legal.

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    Firstly, I will start by saying the car needs to be basically stock for the events we are targeting (Marulan Cheap Car Challenge - 4 Hour Enduro) so we can't go all out for now with mods & I am after some sound advice from anybody with experience in wheels & brakes.

    We are looking to buy some new track dedicated rims & wondering if 15's would fit over the front brakes or if we can only go down to 16's? Also, on this... what size tires have been paired to the aforementioned rims?

    Brakes... we can only have slotted rotors as an upgrade over OEM so what are the best brands out there to last with track punishment for the little PUG? What pads have you paired with them? I have previously run EBC slotted & dimpled rotors with greenstuff pads on other cars but thinking yellowstuff pads would be the go here if we went the EBC route but definitely would like input.

    We do not have an unlimited budget & are trying to get into this as cheap as possible but ensuring we do things right.

    Thanks in advance!

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    There is a similar thread going already about the regular 206 brakes. Basically all of it is applicable here.
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    You should be able to fit 15x7 and definitely 16x7 wheels. Offset (ET) is the key factor to keep in mind for clearance both into the strut, and to the bodywork arches. See if you find some 15" wheels to borrow to check clearances.

    I don't know what the rules are for your events, but I'd be fitting Yokohama A050's if possible.
    If you have a look here Advan A050 (Semi-Slick) you'll see there are a few to choose from, and the nominal width, is not always the actual width of a tyre.
    If you can go 15" I'd be trying to get the smallest diameter tyre possible on there while keeping reasonable width, the 205/50R15 looks good to me. I've got the 205/50R16 on my 16x7 rims which has been fine.

    Reducing the rolling circumference of the wheels we lower your gearing. The 180 is geared way too high for the power it has at most tracks. You'll be lucky to get out of 4th except on the longest straights. Anything you can to reduce it will be useful.
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    I have a spare set of 206 GTi 180 rims that are for sale. If you want to stay with the stock sizes. But sounds like you want to drop down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentia View Post
    I have a spare set of 206 GTi 180 rims that are for sale. If you want to stay with the stock sizes. But sounds like you want to drop down.
    Thank you mate but yes want to drop down for a bit more side wall & cheaper availability of tire options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speaksgeek View Post
    There is a similar thread going already about the regular 206 brakes. Basically all of it is applicable here.
    206 gti track car front pads

    You should be able to fit 15x7 and definitely 16x7 wheels. Offset (ET) is the key factor to keep in mind for clearance both into the strut, and to the bodywork arches. See if you find some 15" wheels to borrow to check clearances.

    I don't know what the rules are for your events, but I'd be fitting Yokohama A050's if possible.
    If you have a look here Advan A050 (Semi-Slick) you'll see there are a few to choose from, and the nominal width, is not always the actual width of a tyre.
    If you can go 15" I'd be trying to get the smallest diameter tyre possible on there while keeping reasonable width, the 205/50R15 looks good to me. I've got the 205/50R16 on my 16x7 rims which has been fine.

    Reducing the rolling circumference of the wheels we lower your gearing. The 180 is geared way too high for the power it has at most tracks. You'll be lucky to get out of 4th except on the longest straights. Anything you can to reduce it will be useful.

    Thank you speaksgeek.

    Why specifically Yoko A050's? I was thinking of Toyo R888r's...? Maybe for ease I will just look for some regular 206 GTI wheels & use them as I know they will 100% fit & should be easy to find.

    As for brakes, I am reading so much differing data but may just bite the bullet & get something on & see how we like it. DBA rotors with Winmax W6.5 or EBC rotors with EBC Yellowstuffs are probably the go so far to start off with.

    Also, where is best to get the 24mm torsion bars & camber tops seeing as you already have them?

    Thank you in advance

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    Yoko A050's because they are fast (but exxy). I haven't tested the newest Toyo 888r, but they're supposed to be good. The older 888 were slower (and cheaper) than the yokos.

    Regular GTI rims are 6.5" wide, so you'll get more sidewall bulge with a 205 tyre. If you go to a motorsport specialist yoko dealer, you should be able to try them on to check clearances.

    Torsion bars I got from Pug1Off in UK. Strut tops are dependent on your coils, and I'm no expert. I got matching AST ones for my coilovers. There are plenty in the UK, or you could contact Greg Nolan at Suspension Concepts, he's made some 206, and plenty of 205 setups before.
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    Winton - 1:40.2
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    Phillip Island - 1:55.9
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    Quote Originally Posted by speaksgeek View Post
    Yoko A050's because they are fast (but exxy). I haven't tested the newest Toyo 888r, but they're supposed to be good. The older 888 were slower (and cheaper) than the yokos.

    Regular GTI rims are 6.5" wide, so you'll get more sidewall bulge with a 205 tyre. If you go to a motorsport specialist yoko dealer, you should be able to try them on to check clearances.

    Torsion bars I got from Pug1Off in UK. Strut tops are dependent on your coils, and I'm no expert. I got matching AST ones for my coilovers. There are plenty in the UK, or you could contact Greg Nolan at Suspension Concepts, he's made some 206, and plenty of 205 setups before.
    Mate you are a legend.

    Maybe 195/50/16 would be better on the standard GTI rim then. A lot cheaper to get the tires & would be lighter overall as well having a smaller diameter. Can you think of any issues with that?

    As for the strut tops, we have to currently stick to the standard setup so will look into it further.

    Thank you

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    Everything is a tradeoff. That's narrower, and lighter. You're trading width for grip and weight. Notice that in the yoko's, the listed width is not the same as actual width. It's worth looking at that on other tyres if possible.
    I wouldn't go smaller than 195, but it's probably fine. Slightly wider than 205 is good too, lots wider brings fitment issues (solvable, but issues)
    After that you're thinking about camber and caster in the strut and in the hubs. More fitment issues to play with.

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    Maybe 195/50/16 would be better on the standard GTI rim then. A lot cheaper to get the tires & would be lighter overall as well having a smaller diameter. Can you think of any issues with that?
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    Winton - 1:40.2
    Wakefield - 1:13.5
    Phillip Island - 1:55.9
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    I'm fairly sure the 15x6 C5 wheel will fit on a GTi180. 15" tyres are cheaper than 16" tyres and C5 wheels are light. Thus 195x55/15 in an A050 is perfect. An A050 is faster than any other semi-slick available. Adrian Wuillemin can fit a 4.43:1 Mi16 cwp into your GTi180 gearbox.

    Don't forget the 3J LSD.
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    I may have a used 3j available. In BE3 at present, would this suit a GTi 180 box?

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    Absolutely. Find some C5 rims as they are silly light. Fit the 3j lsd. Torsion bars and cpuls like SG says. Good pads and slotted rotors are fine. You dont need to change calipers or worry too much about brand of disc. Just good pads (endless etc) and fluids and off ypu go.

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    I'd be grabbing that 3J LSD off Graham if I was you. They are a necessary bit of kit for a track car. Also endorse Yoko AO50's. The best tyre out there.
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    Check your rules. In Vic, the sprint series counts an LSD upgrade as "modified" which puts you up with much faster cars.
    Nonetheless, LSD is way better.
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    For the event we are entering an LSD is not allowed, but should we get into more serious events then obviously something we would look at. As for C5 rims, what year & specific model of C5 should i start chasing down?

    Thanks for the input guys. Once we have the car & start some work I will probably post a build thread & share our website etc so you can look should you care.

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    The wheels you're looking for are C5 15x6 18ET, with tapered seat bolts. These are the 2nd version. The first version, with flat seat bolts, were recalled due to cracking. I have a set of five which I might let go. You're welcome to borrow one for a test fitment. If you like them, we can talk about price later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT View Post
    The wheels you're looking for are C5 15x6 18ET, with tapered seat bolts. These are the 2nd version. The first version, with flat seat bolts, were recalled due to cracking. I have a set of five which I might let go. You're welcome to borrow one for a test fitment. If you like them, we can talk about price later.
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    They will fit FWIW. Great starting point.

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    C5 wheels are great for their purpose, and super light. Keep in mind, they are not good as rally wheels. This came up in my facebook recently from a mate using them for khanacross.

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    Winton - 1:40.2
    Wakefield - 1:13.5
    Phillip Island - 1:55.9
    Nürburgring - 10:23.ish (Fiesta ST)

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    Anybody recommend a short shift kit considering it looks like Griffith Engineering are no longer in existence?

    Only found 1 from Holland so far https://www.short-shifters.com/rc-sh...ml?id=66465485
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    I have one of the short shifter you've linked to. Install is easy, feel seems good, although it's been 18 months since my car drove and I only took it around the block with it installed.

    The ultimate option is a SatchShift which you can get at https://www.satchellengineering.co.u...atchshift.html but it requires removing the heater box, and making a hole in the firewall.

    If you get the dutch one, be aware that there are two variants. They sent me the wrong one first time, as there is an early production run change in the RHD 180's. My theory is all Australian models are the later setup, mine is 2004 and they claim it changed in 2005. The model you probably want is BE4X. You should be able to tell if you take the stock setup off and compare.
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    Winton - 1:40.2
    Wakefield - 1:13.5
    Phillip Island - 1:55.9
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    This is a satch shift
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    Sandown - 1:31.5
    Winton - 1:40.2
    Wakefield - 1:13.5
    Phillip Island - 1:55.9
    Nürburgring - 10:23.ish (Fiesta ST)

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    A short shifter won't make it go any faster. Better off getting a gearbox upgrade from Adrian Wuillemin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT View Post
    A short shifter won't make it go any faster. Better off getting a gearbox upgrade from Adrian Wuillemin.
    Completely understand it will not make the car faster. Like a quick throw that’s all.


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    hey mate,

    we got 205/50R15 86V Yokohama ADVAN NEOVA AD08R on our little pug, the car is still road legal though. fit very close on the front but made it all the same. Good tires. We struggled to find any decent options in the r15 sizing that were also street legal

    heres our run down at eastern creek
    https://chocosmith.wordpress.com/201...ion-2-3-and-4/




    let us know if you do a track day at eastern creek would like peugeot company and we are very keen to see how the 180 goes vs the gti. We also share the car so if its not me its rob there. honesty the gti 180 is the best value for money as far as track days goe.

    cheers
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    I thought most semi-slicks were DOT approved?
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