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    I have a thread in the restoration section & I have hit an impasse with the wiring.

    I have a wiring diagram for the 404 sedan which is doubly almost useless as the dash on the ute is different & the wires are not colour coded; I feel like I'm doing a jigsaw puzzle in the dark with a torch & without the big picture.

    My issues are:

    1. A six pin female plug has disintegrated & left me with six wires I need to mate to the male equivalent.

    2.The dash wiring pattern

    3. The turn signal switch pattern

    4.The ignition switch pattern

    5. The headlight switch pattern

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    (Assuming I have identified the clusters correctly!)

    6. 3 unknown wires hanging near the heater blower.


    I'd like to spend some time under the dash of a ute with a camera. If someone can help, I'd be grateful.

    All I have left to do then is install the motor & it's off to the body shop for paint.
    I'm in Geelong but get to Melbourne regularly
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    I have a complete 404 ute wiring loom that I removed from a car I dismantled, I intend on using it in mine but that won't be for a few months at least. If you'd like to borrow it, you're welcome to it.
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    Here is some wiring data. Incuding a full wiring diagram detailing the multi-pole harness connectors.

    The diagram is for a sedan, however I doubt the Ute is too different.

    If want the info, get it off drop box fast. I routinely purge older stuff.

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3jighquuq...s6EV7gDPa?dl=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Here is some wiring data. Incuding a full wiring diagram detailing the multi-pole harness connectors.

    The diagram is for a sedan, however I doubt the Ute is too different.

    If want the info, get it off drop box fast. I routinely purge older stuff.

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3jighquuq...s6EV7gDPa?dl=0

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    Thanks Rob but I have that diagram already- blown right up.

    However the numbers on the diagram are almost meaningless if the corresponding numbers are absent on the actual wires.

    They saved a few francs during manufacture by using plain wires (vs wires with contrasting stripes) that were temporarily numbered to assist the assembly workers but, Sacre Merde, I'm paying for it now.

    Hells Bells! Even The Prince of Darkness used colour coded wires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geodon View Post
    Thanks Rob but I have that diagram already- blown right up.

    However the numbers on the diagram are almost meaningless if the corresponding numbers are absent on the actual wires.

    They saved a few francs during manufacture by using plain wires (vs wires with contrasting stripes) that were temporarily numbered to assist the assembly workers but, Sacre Merde, I'm paying for it now.

    Hells Bells! Even The Prince of Darkness used colour coded wires.
    Then you need use an ohm meter and trace the wires to their starting point. And tag them both ends once traced. I've successfully labelled wires by writing the number in permanent ball point on white heat shrink tube and then shrinking over the loom wire.

    If you want it be last better shrink a piece of clear tube over the top.

    Demannu's offer of sample loom, seems the only way to determine the correct pin locations in the loom plug and socket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Then you need use an ohm meter and trace the wires to their starting point. And tag them both ends once traced. I've successfully labelled wires by writing the number in permanent ball point on white heat shrink tube and then shrinking over the loom wire.

    If you want it be last better shrink a piece of clear tube over the top.

    Demannu's offer of sample loom, seems the only way to determine the correct pin locations in the loom plug and socket.
    Rob you've piqued my curiosity! I've never done a continuity test.

    I was going to do that job with a live wire & a test lamp.

    I have a cheap multimeter. An ohm test will mean less sparks!


    Re the 6pin plug: you are correct. I'm hoping to get a photo to act as a template for a new plug
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    Personally I use a two d cells in series and a buzzer to trace continuity, it keeps both hands free and eyes on the task in progress.

    You have no risk of "sparks" from either a test lamp , or buzzer. Because the lamp/buzzer acts as a "load" and limits the current.
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    Hi George, as we discussed earlier, I pulled out my spare loom and took some photos for you.

    First photo I think solves your mystery of the three spare wires hanging down LH side of the steering column - flasher can.
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    The next few photos I took when I saw your question mark next to the ignition switch wiring. This I believe is the ignition switch connector on mine. Not sure whether or not this helps you.
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    I was looking at your photos on my phone earlier, and couldn't make out the connector that had disintegrated. I'll get some more photos when I get some more light.
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    1969 Peugeot 504 - 'Pascal' - daily driver project

    1970 Peugeot 404 Utility - 'Brutus' - resto project

    1999 Peugeot 406 Coupé - 'Chloe' - 5 speed manual

    2011 Peugeot 3008 XTE HDi - 'Zoe' - hatchback on steroids

    2014 Peugeot RCZ - 'Remy'

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    George,

    I confer with ROBMAC.

    As pain staking as it is, I think the best way to solve your conundrum is to follow his suggestion.
    I would also suggest that you contact the Peugeot Museum, Technical Division and request a copy of the wiring diagram relating to your ute. They are extremely obliging and send them free of charge, in PDF format.
    Enlarge the diagram to give you a better picture and determine which harness is which.
    You may find, pegging each loom to a sheet of ply advantageous. It helps to keep them still and allows for easier identification and tracking.

    As a word of caution, I would also check each wire from start to end. When doing as described above, on my 404, I found a number of wires that were either split or showing signs of deterioration (They are at least, 45 year old wires). A few of the terminal blocks were showing signs of overheating and as a result were brittle. In the end, I chose to make a complete set of new looms. It was not that expensive and in the long run it will be money and time well spent.


    Cheers,

    Dan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demannu View Post
    Hi George, as we discussed earlier, I pulled out my spare loom and took some photos for you.

    First photo I think solves your mystery of the three spare wires hanging down LH side of the steering column - flasher can.
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    The next few photos I took when I saw your question mark next to the ignition switch wiring. This I believe is the ignition switch connector on mine. Not sure whether or not this helps you.
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    I was looking at your photos on my phone earlier, and couldn't make out the connector that had disintegrated. I'll get some more photos when I get some more light.
    Excellent! Thnx Scotty.

    Well today has been productive! Thanks heaps for the contributions. My multimeter doesn't have a buzzer for continuity so I will invest in a better one that has auto range finding as well.

    So the switches have plugs for connecting? I thought the spade terminals would have hooked up direct to the unit.
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    My multimeter doesn't have a buzzer for continuity so I will invest in a better one that has auto range finding as well.

    4x AA cells , battery holder and a buzzer is a lot cheaper !


    https://www.jaycar.com.au/mini-buzzer-5-15v/p/AB3452

    No need for a flash multi meter.

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    Hi,

    If you look at the rear of a 404 Sedan instrument cluster there are two sockets with 6 pins, below is a picture of the pins function, not to sure if it is similar to the UTE models.

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    I might have a wiring diagram for a ute. I'll have a look tomorrow.

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