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    Pah, Citroens are for poofters with sore backs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuey View Post
    Pah, Citroens are for poofters with sore backs.
    But my back isnt' sore
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Wow... that has to be a first. someone calling the 407 suspension smooth ....... I guess it would be if the road was perfect and smooth (then again ... so would a shopping trolley ).

    I suggest going for a drive in a nice Citroen CX, GS, 2cv, DS, C6, SM etc... so you can understand what a car *should* ride like

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    Pah, Citroens are for poofters with sore backs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    I thought the 407 steering was great, you never had to take your hands off the wheel to go round any corner. The 406 was exceedingly lifeless in the steering, just as well the handling was so good.
    Personally I think the 405 series 2 is the high point of this range of cars, it has its faults but the compact exterior size and large amounts of interior and boot space make it a standout.
    Any know the approx steering ratios 406 Vs 407? I think they're both variable hence 'approx' - should be a range.
    Only having had a 406, I can't compare, but it sounds as if it had a higher ratio (less direct).
    Turning circle is very ordinary :-( but otherwise the suspension & dynamics are great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    I would suggest getting rid of both the crappy cars and buying something decent like a Citroen CX
    You trying to sell one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by New2Pugs View Post
    Any know the approx steering ratios 406 Vs 407? I think they're both variable hence 'approx' - should be a range.
    Only having had a 406, I can't compare, but it sounds as if it had a higher ratio (less direct).
    Turning circle is very ordinary :-( but otherwise the suspension & dynamics are great.
    No variable ratio on the 406, only variable assistance on the higher models. You do need to spin the wheel round when parking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by New2Pugs View Post
    You trying to sell one?
    How much will you give me for a 407 The proper cars will be for sale when there is pigs flying over a frozen hell

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    This is the most important reason to drive a 407 over a 406.

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    406 isnt great. Floorpan comes unstitched under the driver's feet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon View Post
    406 isnt great. Floorpan comes unstitched under the driver's feet...

    Give me a decent car like the CX or DS anyday of the week. I can actually see the B double truck bearing down on me .... So rather than drive out under its wheels.... I can just wait until its safely past. The crappy 407 can hide a bloody 747 in it's pillars.

    At least I don't need to worry about it when its dark ........... As its lights are so god damn feeble .... there is no danger anywhere to be seen. It must have the worst low beam lights of any car made since the XM (yes really they are THAT bad).... SO bad infact, my wife is starting to refuse to drive the thing after dark.
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    On the other hand, with those pillars, which car would you prefer to roll over in? Or which would be better when the B double runs over you? The D has many merits, but modern crash safety standards weren't considered. The Rover P6 took the DS body idea and made it much more impact-absorbent, but I don't think either old car would line up against a 407 for a modern test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    On the other hand, with those pillars, which car would you prefer to roll over in? Or which would be better when the B double runs over you? The D has many merits, but modern crash safety standards weren't considered. The Rover P6 took the DS body idea and made it much more impact-absorbent, but I don't think either old car would line up against a 407 for a modern test.
    You sure don't want to have a crash in any older car .... No doubt.

    has anyone looked into why the 407 headlights are so bad ? I'll have to try some new headlight globes first and see if it helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    You sure don't want to have a crash in any older car .... No doubt.

    has anyone looked into why the 407 headlights are so bad ? I'll have to try some new headlight globes first and see if it helps.
    Are they projector fish eye things? There is only so much you can do with them, but a set of Osram Nightbreaker will make them as best as they can be... and make sure the plastic lens is not cloudy.
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    It sounds silly, but check a bulb isn't upside down and doesn't focus. I fixed someone's Pug recently with this simple error. When you consider the poor access it's an easy thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon View Post
    Are they projector fish eye things? There is only so much you can do with them, but a set of Osram Nightbreaker will make them as best as they can be... and make sure the plastic lens is not cloudy.
    Ihave already lightly sanded the crappy plastic poogoe light housings and polished them with super fine cutters using foam buffing wheels. They are nice and clean, but the lights are still shithouse. I'll try the Osram ones. They are actually "adequate" on high beam. Low beam is appalling though, especially around dusk.

    I'll check the globe orientation when I put new globes in

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    Polishing them isnt a great solution - they need to be fixed. What goes cloudy is the UV protective coat degrades, so it needs to be fixed/replaced.

    This is easier with them out of the car, but - sand them back with 400, then 600, them 1000... Clean! Then a very light coat of clear plastic primer;

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/dulux-du...paint_p1400720

    then two pak clear;

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/dulux-du...paint_p1400741

    Then once thats had a few days to cure, polish and wax. Its the only decent way to deal with them...
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    Can't say that agrees with my experience at all. I don't normally bother with the high beams even when country driving as the low beams, when adjusted, are so good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon View Post
    Polishing them isnt a great solution - they need to be fixed. What goes cloudy is the UV protective coat degrades, so it needs to be fixed/replaced.

    This is easier with them out of the car, but - sand them back with 400, then 600, them 1000... Clean! Then a very light coat of clear plastic primer;

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/dulux-du...paint_p1400720

    then two pak clear;

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/dulux-du...paint_p1400741

    Then once thats had a few days to cure, polish and wax. Its the only decent way to deal with them...
    I wet sanded them with 2000 and polished then worked my way upto 3M superfine cutters with a foam buff .... they would be better than new ones now. Painting makes sense to prevent them degrading again..... or just a coat of polish would probably do the trick!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hypermiler View Post
    No variable ratio on the 406, only variable assistance on the higher models. You do need to spin the wheel round when parking.
    Any idea of ratios? Presumably the 407 is much more direct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New2Pugs View Post
    Any idea of ratios? Presumably the 407 is much more direct.
    Are you guys for real I've never heard of a car with variable ratio steering variable assistance ... yes! but not variable ratio.

    The 407 just feels like a car with electric power steering..... Which is quite ok ... they are just a family sedan, not a high sports car. I'm used to lifeless steering (I own CX's and DS's).

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    Variable ratio steering is to be found - Mercedes, Honda, BMW and Toyota come to mind. The idea is that the ratio changes as the steered wheel turns towards full lock.

    The common form is for the rack teeth to change pitch, with some clever design for the pinion. Some combine a ratio change gearing setup with an electric motor.
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    The new Fiesta ST for example is making a thing about it not having a variable ratio like the normal versions, claiming the linear ratio is more natural feeling for spirited driving.
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