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    Icon8 86 505 GTi vs VR Commodore

    First thing let me say that it was dusk and the commodore DIDIN'T have its lights on!!!!!!!! Of course this is illegal but since i went throught the give way sign the best i can hope for is 50/50 blaim.
    Didnt see him till he hit me.
    What a waste of a very nice peugeot 505 GTi.
    Now starts the insurance battle!!

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    You have my condolences. May (s)he rest in peace. It's be interesting to see what a lawyer could do for you.
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    Hadnt thought of that, been a bit off colour today f you know what i mean.
    thanks N5GTi6

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    Bugger it is always a pity to see any car like that but especially one that has been looked after for nearly 20 years.

    Before I went talking to to many no win no fee lawyers I would get that window tint off the car.
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    a sad day and a sad end to what looked like a pretty nice 505

    just hope you weren't injured in the process
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    as bad as it looks ive been assured that the tint is legal by both sapolice and tintacar, just looks bad in photos.

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    I'm glad you're ok. How did the Commodore fare?

    It hasn't been a good time for Commodores and 505's has it? I had my bingle just over a week ago with a VU Commodore Ute. Lucky for me *he* was the one who drove through a stop sign. Still, it is sad to see any 505 smashed up like that.

    Do you have any lawyers in the family? I found my uncle useful as to make the insurance process as smooth as possible, he wrote out the letter of demand on the firm's letterhead etc. I assume the other driver took it seriously when it arrived in the mail.

    Well, if it is a write-off, at least you can get a bit of dosh by selling those alloy wheels.
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    Yeah i have a lawyer as a friend so ill speak to her tomorrow, alloys well heres the bad news in my futile attempt to accelerate away from him i run up the gutter and hit a give way sign, in the process the alloys now need to be rolled. But there is a good alloy wheel center here in adelaide ( i have seen their work, and you cant tell) what a waste of a perfectly good set of yoko A539's

    I will never drive anything other then a peugeot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    i have now had two accidents in which i have walked away from, that really i shoudnt have (neither have really been my fault) but thats not in my hands to decide!!!!

    what did the commodore look like????????
    well my side intrusion bars took care of him!!!!!!!!
    he seemed to think he would get it fixed but i dont think so, seriously a VR commodore cant be worth much and it would have to be an economic wright-off. Mine well i reckon either structural or economic write-off. to be seen!!!

    No one was injured thank god, luckily there was no one in my passenger seat (as you can see in the pics posted originally)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTIrally
    First thing let me say that it was dusk and the commodore DIDIN'T have its lights on!!!!!!!! Of course this is illegal but since i went throught the give way sign the best i can hope for is 50/50 blaim.
    Didnt see him till he hit me.
    What a waste of a very nice peugeot 505 GTi.
    Now starts the insurance battle!!
    Hmm,

    lights or no lights I think you'll find your 100% to blame

    For example, if I pull out infront of a harley tomorow with no headlight on, all mat black bike, guy wearing a black helmet and black leathers on a dim cloudy day ... You guessed it, I'll be at fault

    Actually I'm surprised being a dunnydore it didn't have 500watt foglights aimed to light up the tree tops switched on Maybe it's a base model so it missed out on the [email protected] lights with the 'permanantly on' option fitted.

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    part 13 of australian road rules

    A driver must not drive at night, or in hazardous weather conditions causing reduced visibility unless:
    a) the headlights, tail lights and number plate light fitted to the driver's vehicle are operating effectively and clearly visible

    and the driver was to be cautioned for driving with undue care! because he was driving withoutr his lights.(sapolice)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTIrally
    part 13 of australian road rules

    A driver must not drive at night, or in hazardous weather conditions causing reduced visibility unless:
    a) the headlights, tail lights and number plate light fitted to the driver's vehicle are operating effectively and clearly visible

    and the driver was to be cautioned for driving with undue care! because he was driving withoutr his lights.(sapolice)
    Yeah,

    by the same laws you must have working brake lights, run up the back of someone with no brakelights ... Guess who's 100% at fault...

    I'm not saying give up, it's just going to be a difficult fight when you went through the give way sign

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    Sorry about your car

    Bl**dy typical for SA drivers not to put their lights on.
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    hey i had my lights on!!!!
    hahahahaha

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    I had the 15inch alloys on my old 505 GTi done by Extensive Wheel Services in SA. They came up looking a treat - I think it set me back around $170 - $180ish / wheel and included bead blasting and powder coating. The colour wasn't a complete match to the original - a darker shade of grey rather than the silver, but because I had them all done, it wasn't so much of a problem for me.

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    Really sorry to hear about your car, it's painful just looking at those pics At least you came out of it OK. Bloody crappydore drivers!
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    Banana car.
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    Well and truly rooted What a shame mate, but glad youre OK. Tough little buggers those Pugs - how quick was the bombabore going when it hit?

    Well, youll have to go and get yourself a clean shell and rebuild now - perfect oppertunity for building it with that V6

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    if you could screw the price down with the wrecker in town here there is a perfect body housing STI inards sitting there
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    v6????????????
    Ohh you mean this one, the one that was being built up for the GTi.
    would be a shame to let it go to waste Better find something else to put it in!!!!

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    Not another bloody commy driver!

    sorry to hear about your car man Those things sux.

    Hopefully it will be able to be replaced by something even better without too much extra cost!

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    And of course it will have to a red car to match those lovely valve covers
    Nows your chance to build a real show stopper - a shiny red 505 built up from a bare shell painted inside and out with all those nice GTi bits you now have and a lovely V6. Just make sure you get something out of the commodore driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTIrally
    v6????????????
    Ohh you mean this one, the one that was being built up for the GTi.
    would be a shame to let it go to waste Better find something else to put it in!!!!

    when you painted the rocker covers why didn't you paint the oil filler tube and paint the bolts heads or clean them up ?

    they look good untill you see dirty bolt heads

    nothing a wire brush on a drill won't fix

    or go all out and use stainless bolts
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    was replacing all the bolts and the oil filler, well a bit of brasso should fix that.

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    that really sux man... photies brought a tear to the eye.
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    That is a very tricky situation, If the other party concedes 50/50 blame I would jump on it.

    Although would be incorrect to say you where "100%" responsible if what your saying is correct.

    Hypothetical; if a situation occurred where a motorist failed to give way and struck your vehicle and you could have avoided the incident then blame is proportioned, in a situation such as I describe perhaps 75% the negligent driver-25 you/ would be appropriate. This is called contributory negligence.

    Your circumstance is unique in the you committed a wrong however your wrong as you described it was largely caused by the wrong of another motorist, if that chain of causation could be proved then you would not be held "100%" responsible.

    My advice to you is to contact a free legal advice line in your area generally you will be referred to a specialist in the motor vehicle area and they are in the best position to give you advice as they are familiar with both case law and legislation in the motor vehicle area - they deal with situations like yours on a daily basis and can convey to you, your legal position as it stands (if the advice you receive is positive then put it to the other driver and attempt to negotiate a compromise)

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