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    Default 2003 307 2.0 ltr petrol EW10 Running Rough

    Greetings fellow Puggies.

    It seems after 15 years and 189,000klm of faithful service 'Peppi'
    doesn't want to play any more ;o]

    My wife went out as usual but became stranded when she parked up and switched off
    and it wouldn't start again, tried a few times.....let it sit for a bit, tried again
    and got it started and came straight home.

    In the garage, it would start but after a few seconds would die.
    3 weeks ago I serviced the car with new oil and filter, air filter, new spark plugs.

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    I connected by Launch scanner last night and retrieved two codes, P0410 and P0445
    The first code is the long standing extra air valve thing and the second deals
    with 'Purge valve circuit short'??
    Neither of these will prevent the engine from running as the purge valve is attached
    to the carbon canister.

    I have yet to run vacuum and fuel pressure tests as I have to get it running first.
    Any bright ideas out there? ;o))
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    When you say it wont start, is it cranking, etc? Starts then stalls immediately? Cranks but doesnt fire? Cranks slowly/weakly?

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    Hello anzactuck....that is how it was behaving but after removing codes
    and doing a couple of 'soft reboots', it has at least come back to normal
    and we have also been able to remove the gearbox interlock problem.
    Engine behaves normally (still runs rough) after air injection pump shuts off
    but runs fine when a bit of heat gets in the engine.

    Gearbox behaves normally now....after removing code UD103....
    this stated 'Lost communication to gearbox module-A'
    I removed the battery and the gerabox ecu connector plug did not look
    like it was connected properly.
    Gave it a bit of a wiggle and it came off while it was still in the closed
    position and looks like it had been that way for some time.
    Took me a while to free the mechanism with silicon spray....then cleaned
    all terminals and the plug with electronic cleaner/lubricant and made sure the
    connector was fully seated home.
    Went through battery re-connection procedure and voila! the box came out of park
    no mad bleeps or flashing lights.
    Took the car for a 50klm run and all is behaving itself but we still don't have
    central locking....and it looks like it could be the BSI because the fuel gage
    reads full all the time when it isn't.
    We'll see next week after it's been on the dealers Diag Box ;o))
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    To continue....today I removed both the EGR valve and EGR solenoid valve (one at the back right
    of head with four pin plug).
    Both looked a bit gunked up after 186,000klm so, got to work cleaning them and then gave them a lengthy
    turn in my sonic bath which cleaned them up no end.
    Re installed everything, put battery back and it fired up straight away no problems.
    When air pump cuts off, it still runs a little rough until temp. starts to rise and it smooths out.
    I have done all I can now, it's up to the techs at the dealers to see what they can uncover and
    re instate central locking, an opening hatch and a fuel gauge that works correctly.
    At the moment because the BSI is not recognizing the key, I reckon that will have to be
    re programmed as well....bring on Monday! ;o))

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    Some more pics from my EGR cleaning foray ;o))
    And repairing the main engine breather tube that attches to exhaust cam cover.
    They get very brittle with heat and age.


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    Here is an update on our troubles.
    Car has been at dealers for four days and hooked up to PP2K and DIAG Box.
    Everything works except security, central locking and the BSI is not
    recognizing the key but engine fire straight up and gearbox works properly.
    We just don't have the above plus interior lights don't come on when door is opened
    and fuel gauge reads full when it isn't.
    There is also no beep when key is left in ignition and door open....any ideas?
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    Ughh electronic issues... glad its firing up ok now! All these engines seem to run a little poorly untill theyre warm.
    Do you know the condition of the fuel pump? Maybe the float is stuck up.
    And out of interest how much did a sonic bath set you back? That would be a great thing to have

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzactuck View Post
    Ughh electronic issues... glad its firing up ok now! All these engines seem to run a little poorly untill theyre warm.
    Do you know the condition of the fuel pump? Maybe the float is stuck up.
    And out of interest how much did a sonic bath set you back? That would be a great thing to have

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    hello...I meant to reply to this earlier....the little sonic bath was about $30 from flea-bay and dose sevrything from cleaning my wifes jewelry to motorcycle carby parts ;o))
    It's bath is 150x130x80mm deep and has asmall basket for carrying small and delicate things...does an excellent job.

    Re Peppi, he is still at the dealers awaiting a reply from PSA Aust. re some re-flash software but the IT guy said
    they are not being very cooperative...could be something to do with car being 15 years old and not keeping
    software that old....anyway, they will have another crack at it in the morning.
    Meantime, I am waiting for my Peugeot Planet 2000/Lexia software to arrive....bloody easter stuffs everything up!
    If no joy...I will be going down the BSI replacement route and dealing with either BBA Reman UK:

    Body Control (BSI) | Peugeot | Online catalogue | United Kingdom | BBA Reman

    Or Rolling Motion UK:

    PSA BSI REPAIRS

    I have heard good reports from both companies.
    I can either send my original to be repaired and sent back or opt for a repalcement
    that has been 'virginised' and programmed ready to slot in...we'll see.
    The saga continues!
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    Well guys...things aren't progressing very far at this point and have decided to bring car home from thre dealers next week.
    I have PP2K software and Lexi-3 package arriving next week so will have a poke around myself to see what's going on.
    You may be interested in the letter I sent to BBA Reman in the UK about our situation.

    ** Hello again Will,

    Well, this is our state of play at the moment....
    The car has spent two weeks at the dealer (100 miles east of us)
    and so far have had little success using Peugeot Planet 2000
    and Diag Box with Lexia-3


    They managed to get a BSI update from PSA Aust. but
    the IT guy tried three times to initiate the upgrade but
    it wouldn't accept it.

    Here is our situation at the moment:
    * Car starts up fine and runs normally.
    * Gearbox behaves normally and shifts smoothly.
    * Most functions behave normally....lights, wipers, air-con ICE etc.

    These are the problems:
    * The BSI doesn't seem to recognise the key.
    * There is no bong when key is left in ignition and open door.
    * The central locking doesn't work.
    * The rear hatch can only be opened by pressing lock button
    on the dash with ign. on.
    * No reverse light function but R shows up on cluster display.

    Actions I have performed:
    * All relays and fuses removed and cleaned.
    * Gearbox ECU and main engine ECU were removed and pins
    checked and cleaned along with the ECU plugs and reinstalled.
    * BSI reset attempted a couple of times without success.
    * Soft reboots have been attempted in the correct sequence.
    * Battery is maintained at full voltage 13.4 volts

    We have one key with fob (new battery) and one manual key.
    We have owned this car from new and has covered 186,000klm

    Here are the relevant numbers regards the vehicle and the BSI:

    BUILD DATE: DEC. 2002
    BODY NO: 810016
    CHASSIS VIN: VF33CRFNF82810016
    ENGINE N0: LH680734919

    Codes and numbers from rear of BSI unit
    2003 Peugeot 307 XSEA
    2.0 ltr EFI EW10J4 engine
    VALEO BSI GOX-00 Variente: D
    Plan: 9636760580-F Piece 9644098

    Ref ANN: A11999 Boot: 7.2
    Ordre ANN: 0403 Ordre MSL: 00896
    Date MSL: 34002 11-12-2002 04:26
    Poste de Control: 3

    I hope this is all the relevant information you need
    to try and ascertain a course of action.
    Please advise the best plan.
    Would it be better to replace the BSI with a 'virginised' unit
    or repair the cars original?

    Sincerely,
    Maxwell Heazlewood
    6 Woodward Avenue
    Hillcrest, Burnie
    Tasmania 7320
    Australia


    ----- Original Message -----

    From: UK Sales
    To: Max Heazlewood
    Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 8:30 PM
    Subject: RE: Remanufacture of Peugeot BSI units


    Hello,

    Thanks for sending details through.
    We normally either exchange those units, at a cost of 225 plus carriage and VAT, or we can attempt repair, which if successful would cost 125 plus carriage and VAT. Both options come with our lifetime warranty.
    If we supply exchange, this would need coding on the vehicle using dealer level diagnostic equipment.

    Are either of these options of interest to you?

    Kind Regards,

    Will Irish.

    BBA Reman Ltd
    Unit 1 Stirling Park
    Laker Road
    Rochester
    Kent
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    Might be best if you remove ultramax and Will's email address as well?

    Best of luck, persistence pays off.
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    Hello Mathew....yes, my patience is wearing a bit thin ;o))
    But one way or another we'll get there.
    Some interesting info has come to hand from the UK Pug forum
    and they suggest it may not be the BSI.
    Their reasoning is because we are able to start the car and drive it normally
    the BSI is recognizing the key....otherwise it wouldn't start.
    Because the int. lights don't come on when opening the door possibly
    means there is a break somewhere as the int. lights, boot lock and central
    locking are all interelated and need a constant 12 volt feed.
    When you look at the elctrical diagrams, all these are fed into the BSI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tazfrog View Post
    Hello Mathew....yes, my patience is wearing a bit thin ;o))
    But one way or another we'll get there.
    Some interesting info has come to hand from the UK Pug forum
    and they suggest it may not be the BSI.
    Their reasoning is because we are able to start the car and drive it normally
    the BSI is recognizing the key....otherwise it wouldn't start.
    Because the int. lights don't come on when opening the door possibly
    means there is a break somewhere as the int. lights, boot lock and central
    locking are all interelated and need a constant 12 volt feed.
    When you look at the elctrical diagrams, all these are fed into the BSI.
    Sounds a plausible, 1 wire disconnected may cause these issues. Wire a direct 12v feed to light circuit and see if bing bong works. Yes the BSI is recognising the key which is great.

    Stick with it...

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    Agree, these multiplexed cars are a nightmare only idiots like myself understand. I agree, if its starting the security is working between key and BSI, those other ancillaries are not that complicated and discrete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimistyle View Post
    Sounds a plausible, 1 wire disconnected may cause these issues. Wire a direct 12v feed to light circuit and see if bing bong works. Yes the BSI is recognising the key which is great.

    Stick with it...

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    Thanks Dimi....I will be bringing car home next week and when my new PP2K
    software arrives, I will get stuck into it.
    At least the car is not vital for everyday transport at the moment as my
    20 year old Jaguar XJ8 'Jeremy J.'is standing in as daily transport....I've told
    him he can't be a garage price all the time ;o))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    Agree, these multiplexed cars are a nightmare only idiots like myself understand. I agree, if its starting the security is working between key and BSI, those other ancillaries are not that complicated and discrete.
    Mathew, thanks for your reply.
    Our 307 being built in Dec 2002 makes it a VAN system as models post 2005 became CAN bus systems.
    Yes, there is no problem with the immobilizer....it's just the central locking that's the issue.
    Would it have anything to do with the circuit board in the fob being corrupt?
    Or is that clutching at straws?

    Oh yes, the wipers front and rear do about four wipes when you just switch to pos. 1 accessories....weird ;o)

    Do you know if the central locking module is within the BSI?
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    I think the central locking is a separate module so s separate antenna to key fob would be used.

    Sorry I'm no help

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimistyle View Post
    I think the central locking is a separate module so s separate antenna to key fob would be used.

    Sorry I'm no help

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    Dimistyle....I have been poring over the wiring diagrams and it seems the c/locking unit is encased in the BSI.
    According to Mathew the immobilizer is controlled by the ring at base of ign. key and the c/locking fob transponder unit is housed in the COMM 2000 at the steering wheel which sends the fob signal to the BSI....I think that's right.
    The int. lights all work normally except for not operating when door opens as they should.
    So, I think it's the fact that the BSI is not receiving the proper signal to operate the c/locking.
    The wipers acting the Wally are another issue.....the beat goes on! ;o))
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimistyle View Post
    I think the central locking is a separate module so s separate antenna to key fob would be used
    It will be, the key pickup uses RFID to energise a chip encapsulated in the key, its almost certainly not going to be used for C/locking. That is going to have its own circuitry albeit an encoded signal, as suggested with its own ECU / logic that is most likely integrated into the BSI, Dimistyle will know a little more about this I suspect.

    I have a 2004 307 diesel, this part will likely be similar but I have no circuits, let me take a look tomorrow at my Haynes manual and respond.
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    Thanks mate most appreciated ;o))
    I also have the Haynes manaul.
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    No joy, the Haynes is very limited and no visibility of the C/locking sadly. Will ask around my local technical contacts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    No joy, the Haynes is very limited and no visibility of the C/locking sadly. Will ask around my local technical contacts?
    Mathew....from what I could ascertain from the c/locking diagram layout, it is connected along wit
    the
    interior lights ands a couple of other things through a series of earths and most junctions end up in the BSI
    The strange thing is, turn on the ign. and all the int. lights will work when turned on individualkly
    and you can open the hatch by pushing the deadlock button on the dash which does a quick lock-unlock
    sequence and leaving ign/ on you can go to back of car and open hatch.
    As soon as you turn ign. off, that all goes dead again.
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    You have checked the large fuses in engine bay, specifically MF4 and MF5? One of these does what your looking for, or maybe connection to BSI is not correct / dirty / corroded?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    You have checked the large fuses in engine bay, specifically MF4 and MF5? One of these does what your looking for, or maybe connection to BSI is not correct / dirty / corroded?
    Hello Mathew....I checked every fuse and realy before thee car went to the dealers.
    As I'm going to Launceston tomorrow (160klm east) to pick up the car, I will recheck those maxifuses just to make sure.
    I will also get the locksmiths to run a frequency check on the key fob just to make sure it is sending
    a signal.
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    No issue, with Dimi and a few others I reckon we can get to the bottom of this. At least it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    No issue, with Dimi and a few others I reckon we can get to the bottom of this. At least it works.
    Thanks guys, I really appreciate this.
    Asa a collective we'll be 307 experts by the time we're finished ;o))
    I'm not all that impressed with the dealers....they have had the car for over two weeks
    and don't seem to have got anywhere.
    I'm waiting to get my teeth into PP2K and really get into the guts of the situation.
    In the meantime, I have told my wife that Peppi is perfectly driveable, you just can't lockhim ;o))
    Anyway....who in their right mind would want to flog a Frog!
    The car is locked in the garage at night and live in a multi story carpark at the hospital
    in a special security section for staff....my wife being a theatre sister.
    I am going to take the key fob to a locksmith to have it tested on one of those frequency testers.
    At least we'll know that the fob is sending a signal.
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