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    Quote Originally Posted by IWS View Post
    Does this Peugeot 407 (2005) – fuse box diagram help? I know it is an earlier year - but I'd expect it not to change 2005 to 2008 (or maybe I'm wrong?)

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    Thanks but that's not what I am after.
    I am after the details for the maxi fuses under the BSM.
    I haven't seen them documented anywhere. I didn't even know they were there until I removed the BSM.
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    Ok another idea but you would have guesed already. Swap BSI and ECU which are matched from sedan to wagon. Stick key from sedan under steering column as its matched with BSI and use original wagon key to start.
    Only issue will be km on odometer will change so best to unplug cluster so this doesn't happen.
    If all go you have eliminated BSM issue and any other electrical problems.

    Just leaves BSI to be reconfigured as its lost the plot only one chip on BSI holds the configuration so if cant be reprogrammed remove a known good chip and re-solder onto yours.

    Anyone else comment on the above?



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    SOunds like a plan, just about to buy myself the same model / year car so will remember not to reverse battery!
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    Update -

    Have just come in from replacing the BSM (the engine bay fuse box) with one from a wrecker.
    It also has the auto box controller from my sedan and the wagon’s (the wagon is the car that does not start) one is in my sedan.
    The Maxi Fuses under the BSM have been replaced with new ones.


    Some progress – all the internal electricals are now working again. The window controls from the drivers side master switches now work, remote central locking, internal lights, etc .

    The one wiper wipe does not happen anymore when the ignition comes on.

    However, she still does not start.

    I still cannot get the car out of P even when I put my foot on the brake.
    Still not had any luck finding a matching BSI, ECU and remotes from the same car for less than $850.

    It might be time to start thinking about wrecking her.

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    That would be a shame, to say the least. We are all hoping that you get it back on the road at a reasonable cost.

    There is also a message for the rest of us as well - never connect the battery the wrong way around!

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    What error codes are coming up on Global tests, could the brake switch be holding the auto box in Park?
    Can you check status of immobilizer to check it's not active?

    So close now......
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimistyle View Post
    What error codes are coming up on Global tests, could the brake switch be holding the auto box in Park?
    Can you check status of immobilizer to check it's not active?

    So close now......
    The errors I am getting are:
    - Still no comms with Auto Transmission ECU
    - BSI has two errors one related to failed oil temp sensor, the other is about a headlight issue
    - Dash reporting oil temp error, it has also changed from kms to miles

    So no real help.
    Don't think it is immobilser related, it is not cranking and I am not getting the key symbol with the cross through it.

    Might get an auto electrician over and rule out a failed starter motor.

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    Ok check headlights, fog lights are all working but be quick as probably go in to Economy mode unless you changed the delay in the BSI to 60 mins.

    Possibly dodgy headlight relay.

    Not sure where oil temp sensor is as you could temporary throw a 2k resistor in between the pins to clear.

    Find a way to get auto out of park, there must be a release switch under the selector as ECU may think its in gear already so no crank.


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    Just had another thought twice in one day. ....

    No power to transmission ecu which will not unlock gear on park.

    Check fuse on BSI, if ok check 12v at fuse if ok need the wiring diagram to check 12v at transmission ecu end.
    Also since you have been playing with the ecu check all connections are clean, no bent pins and there is an good earth connection at the auto end.

    Fingers crossed. ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimistyle View Post
    Just had another thought twice in one day. ....

    No power to transmission ecu which will not unlock gear on park.

    Check fuse on BSI, if ok check 12v at fuse if ok need the wiring diagram to check 12v at transmission ecu end.
    Also since you have been playing with the ecu check all connections are clean, no bent pins and there is an good earth connection at the auto end.

    Fingers crossed. ..

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    I am pretty sure the headlight issue is the left main beam bulb.

    Oil temp is the far right bottom gauge in the cluster but it wasn't working when I bought the car, so it's not an issue.

    Yeh, the auto thing I was surprised did not fix itself when I swapped controllers. That makes sense, not getting power. Any idea which fuse it would be on a 2007 407 HDI 2.0? I thought I checked all the fuses on the BSI were ok before I resinstalled it.

    I still haven't ruled out it is not a dead starter motor.

    ANy idea how I change it back from miles to kms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcc236 View Post
    I am pretty sure the headlight issue is the left main beam bulb.

    Oil temp is the far right bottom gauge in the cluster but it wasn't working when I bought the car, so it's not an issue.

    Yeh, the auto thing I was surprised did not fix itself when I swapped controllers. That makes sense, not getting power. Any idea which fuse it would be on a 2007 407 HDI 2.0? I thought I checked all the fuses on the BSI were ok before I resinstalled it.

    I still haven't ruled out it is not a dead starter motor.

    ANy idea how I change it back from miles to kms?
    Fuse 6 if this is the same or check owners manual

    http://www.autogenius.info/peugeot-4...e-box-diagram/

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcc236 View Post
    ANy idea how I change it back from miles to kms?
    Would it not be the normal way via the radio buttons, ie. Menu/Personalisation/Define the vehicle parameters/Display configuration/choice of units ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    Would it not be the normal way via the radio buttons, ie. Menu/Personalisation/Define the vehicle parameters/Display configuration/choice of units ?
    Thanks for that, have never had to do this before.

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    I checked all the fuses and pins on the bsm and bsi, all are good. Auto controller still not talking to Lexia.

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    Time to get the multi meter out and check for both a good earth at the TCU and 12 volts. Also check 12 volts at BSM and BSI as only checking the interweb fuse 6 on both are for the auto? The owners manual may suggest otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimistyle View Post
    Time to get the multi meter out and check for both a good earth at the TCU and 12 volts. Also check 12 volts at BSM and BSI as only checking the interweb fuse 6 on both are for the auto? The owners manual may suggest otherwise.

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    This is why I am suggesting it is time to get a local auto electrician involved. It is beyond me now.
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    I am glad to report SHE IS FIXED AND RUNNING.

    I don't know if it was one or multiple issues. The main things done were:
    - BSI repairs undertaken by Dimistyle. BSI would not power up before the repair was done
    - BSI features needed to be reset as most settings defaulted to "unknown"
    - Replaced the BSM with one from a wrecker. Once this was done all the car's electrics began working again. Specifically, window controls, internal lights, remote central locking; and
    - Finally, today I found a faulty maxi fuse. It wasn't in the fuse block under the BSM. I found a small Maxi fuse block above the BSI, which I had not noticed before. 15amp fuse G37 turned out to be the power supply for the auto trans controller and it was blown.

    Yipppeeeee!
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    Fantastic news David, I knew you could do it with some perseverance and some knowledge. Now back to where you started a few months ago and get it back on the road!!.

    So happy we have a resolution.

    Is G37 in the owners manual by any chance?



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    Let us know if you come up with a foolproof system for colour coding battery terminals .

    Props to all concerned with getting the car going!

    Cheers

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    Great Result. Well Done.

    Cheers
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    PS. Have you got a picture showing the location of the offending fuse?

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    Must get some tips where these things are, not that I plan on doing anything like you have, kudos, perseverance prevails..
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimistyle View Post
    Fantastic news David, I knew you could do it with some perseverance and some knowledge. Now back to where you started a few months ago and get it back on the road!!.

    So happy we have a resolution.

    Is G37 in the owners manual by any chance?



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    I don't have an owners manual for the 2007 wagon, so I don't know. The BSM in the 2008 sedan is different, so its manual was no use.

    Thanks for all your help. Would never have got there without it.

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    As others have said - great news. Not that one would wish this on anyone else but this thread could be a useful resource for someone else.
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    I've been watching this thread from the beginning and could feel the pain,

    Well done fantastic result,

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenough View Post
    I've been watching this thread from the beginning and could feel the pain,

    Well done fantastic result,

    Cheers
    My thoughts are just the same.

    So pleased to see this result - and so impressed with the persistence (and assistance from folks here) which got you there.

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