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    Default 207 Outdoor clutch gone at 60,000km

    Hi,
    The clutch has just gone on my 207 Outdoor and it's only done 60,000kms. The pedal just stays on the floor when pushed in. Haven't had any other clutch issues in the 2 years I've had it.
    Not able to get it to the mechanics until next week and am a little concerned about the size of my bill. Anyone have any reassuring words that this won't be a major fix?
    Thanks

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    I had this happen in a Ford Ranger. It turned out the master cylinder was shot (and 2000 kms out of warranty!). Unfortunately for me it was a major expense as the transmission had to be removed to access it. I'm not sure of the setup in the 207, but I hope it's easily accessible and hence cheaper!

    If I were you I'd check the clutch fluid level. If it's down, then the clutch master or slave cylinder is probably the culprit.

    The above probably won't reassure you! Sorry.

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    Check out this thread, if it is the master cylinder access may not be too bad.

    https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/for...ic.php?t=48826

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    The slave cylinder on a 5 speed BE box is accessible too.

    It's the 6 speed manuals that have internal concentric slave cylinders that make a very big job.

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    Thanks Seasink. I have a 5 speed manual, so maybe that's better news.
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    Champion, Gunner, thanks. Will check out that thread.

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    Clutch slave cylinders are a relatively common (and cheapish) issue on 207s on the UK forums.
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    Thanks Simon. Starting to feel a little more reassured now.
    A mechanic I initially spoke to said it may mean removing the gearbox, which completely threw me. It did seem excessive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    The slave cylinder on a 5 speed BE box is accessible too.

    It's the 6 speed manuals that have internal concentric slave cylinders that make a very big job.
    Might come down to the model.

    ML6 on RHR is external slave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    I had this happen in a Ford Ranger. It turned out the master cylinder was shot (and 2000 kms out of warranty!). Unfortunately for me it was a major expense as the transmission had to be removed to access it.


    I could replace the master cylinder and bleed the system in some older cars in 30 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beano View Post


    I could replace the master cylinder and bleed the system in some older cars in 30 minutes.
    So what? Some cars have easy access, other hard. I'm sure there are "older" cars with difficult clutch hydraulics too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speaksgeek View Post
    So what? Some cars have easy access, other hard. I'm sure there are "older" cars with difficult clutch hydraulics too.
    It's bad engineering practice to make such parts difficult to access. You'll find an earlier generation of Peugeot engineers took a more sensible approach and that's what their reputation was based on.
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    Many (most) modern clutch designas have a concentric slave cylinder, mounted around the gearbox input shaft, so for them it's transmission out. This applies to DS3s for example.

    The 5 speed BE box is an old design, with an external slave operating a lever.

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    Looking up my old time book half an hour was allowed to replace the clutch rod and bush on an early 404 or an hour and a half to dismantle, rebuild, refit and adjust the clutch control mechanism. Now it's a major transmission repair to replace a system that does the same job. Progress?

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    That was then. I used to do annual decokes as well, and had a hell of a time assembling hypoid diffs.

    Racing and heavy commercial clutches went concentric, and modern car clutches have caught up with them. Fortunately for the OP's pocket, the BE 5 speed box is not a new design, and the slave is external, working a lever and clutch bearing as in the past.

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    But it comes back to the question of why. A cheap, simple and effective mechanism is available with a low repair cost. Why go to a design that will make quick repair impossible and impose greater costs? Apologies for a Luddite intrusion into somebody else's thread.
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    Why spend effort discussing a system that's not fitted?
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    Indeed. I thought this was a forum on which questions of French automotive design were discussed but I was mistaken.

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