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    Default 205 GTi or MX 5 ????

    I'm after a car to do some supersprinting and as a weekend car. I realise that I will get a biased view but what can you do...

    Any thoughts?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by allmtr
    I'm after a car to do some supersprinting and as a weekend car. I realise that I will get a biased view but what can you do...

    Any thoughts?????
    MX5's are very competitive against 205's. Just ask Parry.

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    Parry did u get done by a MX5???

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    Rent an MX5 from Europcar (.com.au) for $88/day and see if you can live with one.

    If you have some great desire to have something vaguely practical whilst being stonkingly great fun on any given road - buy the 205.

    If you enjoy open topped motoring with simply superb chassis - go the MX5



    Edit: Realised my comments were a bit harsh. Oops.
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    Cal's MX5 is a very fast car. Hardly standard though. Super charged, coil overs, roll bar and reinforced subframe under the car. He's doing times comparable to JR's also very highly modified 205Mi16.
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    Is my fear of french cars justified?

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    Quote Originally Posted by allmtr
    Is my fear of french cars justified?
    No, it's 90% tyres and driver ability. It all depends what you want to drive the rest of the time.

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    As biased as I am towards froggies .. the real real fun is always in rear wheel drive ...

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    Ok here is the story.

    Last year my main competitor in the supersprint series was a MX5. First the guy was running the earlier model 1.6 and I was having a hard time beating him, but I did every time. His laps were constantly faster than mine but I always pulled an alien lap out on the day to beat him by a whisker.

    He then decided to buy the later model 1.8 to attempt to beat me, but to no avail, the later model was heavier and his lap times suffered by 3 to 4 secs with the new car.

    Both cars were dead stock. and I do beleive he was a competant driver as there was another MX5 1.6 in our class and both of us were 4 secs quicker on average.

    This year I have a measly Suzuki rice burner to contend with!!! and this suzuki has beaten my 205 at every meet so far. Admittedly we never raced them side by side stock, as the suzuki did have uprated suspension which made it 1 to 2 secs quicker than the 205.

    Eagerly await the response from tekkie! Settle boy!

    PS: I also weight about 60kg more than Tekkie!
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    Wakefield: 1:05.6 (July 2015)
    Eastern Creek: 1:54 (8v) 1:48 (16V)
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
    Winton: 1:33.6 (2017)

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    1st to attend to practical part:

    MX5 can be very tight for larger people, and if you are 1.9m tall you may be scraping the headlining with the roof up. it is a fun car (by all reports) but very impractical for daily driver. Awesome weekender / track car with multitude of aftermarket mods available (super/turbo charged mods readily available over the counter or fitted with 1`2 day turnaround).

    205... its a classic hatchback. rare to find in very good nick, plenty of potential in NA form, grin is guaranteed after every drive. It is french and hence it comes with that special... err. humm.. "character" that can only be attenended to by a competent mechanic (like Paul Vassalo).



    Swift is a faster car then a pug. (says me poking the hornets nest with a stick)....


    or its just that it was a slightly better package last year. Close times after Oran park make me think it wont be 2~3 sec difference anymore this year. More like 0.2sec. And I cant say that i'll remain in front either. Looking forward to the rest of the season.
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    Bring on EC!!!! The battle is on!!!!
    90 205 Gti Cherry Red(Track Car)
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    PBs:

    Oran Park: 1:27:9
    Wakefield: 1:05.6 (July 2015)
    Eastern Creek: 1:54 (8v) 1:48 (16V)
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
    Winton: 1:33.6 (2017)

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    Chuck.

    If you want to drive a modified 205 have a drive of mine. A daily driver it isn't but it will give you an idea of one path that could be taken.

    I haven't taken it out onto the track since all the mods so no idea how it is going to stack up time wise. These other guys have been competing for a year atleast so have done all the tracks atleast once.

    Parry made 5 secs a lap difference at Oran Park (thats right isn't it Parry ???) by fitting larger torsion bars, shocks and springs to an otherwise stock car. Thats a big difference for the money he spent (less than $2k wasn't it ???).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MYT205
    Chuck.

    If you want to drive a modified 205 have a drive of mine. A daily driver it isn't but it will give you an idea of one path that could be taken.

    I haven't taken it out onto the track since all the mods so no idea how it is going to stack up time wise. These other guys have been competing for a year atleast so have done all the tracks atleast once.

    Parry made 5 secs a lap difference at Oran Park (thats right isn't it Parry ???) by fitting larger torsion bars, shocks and springs to an otherwise stock car. Thats a big difference for the money he spent (less than $2k wasn't it ???).

    Darren
    Yep 1.5k for the rear torsion bars and a solid rear mounting kit. Shaved 5secs at Oran Park and 3 sec improvement at EC which is a horsepower track, the 3sec improvement was also over my 90kw S3 205 last year. My current car has 74kw.
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    Oran Park: 1:27:9
    Wakefield: 1:05.6 (July 2015)
    Eastern Creek: 1:54 (8v) 1:48 (16V)
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
    Winton: 1:33.6 (2017)

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    Quote Originally Posted by parry
    Yep 1.5k for the rear torsion bars and a solid rear mounting kit. Shaved 5secs at Oran Park and 3 sec improvement at EC which is a horsepower track, the 3sec improvement was also over my 90kw S3 205 last year. My current car has 74kw.
    So the extra 25kW you've added should take another 0.5 sec. off?

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    I would be happy if I get another 25kw, that would be clearly 10 secs
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    PBs:

    Oran Park: 1:27:9
    Wakefield: 1:05.6 (July 2015)
    Eastern Creek: 1:54 (8v) 1:48 (16V)
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
    Winton: 1:33.6 (2017)

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    If thats the case Adrian and Owen would be 20secs + ahead of you.

    And thats not the case. Peter is closer to the mark.

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    Decided yet?

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    The MX5 is every hairdressers dream.

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    No I CAN'T decide. I've driven both and equally impressed

    I compare them like deciding between a Ducati or a Honda. You know you'll have no problem with the Honda but it ain't got no soul......

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    Given a choice, if both cars give you the same buzz, I would go with the practical beast. Security in the hardtop is always better as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca
    The MX5 is every hairdressers dream.
    Because the open top ruins the driver's hair and therefore gives more business to the hairdresser rite??
    Take the long way home....

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    Had to jump into this one having driven both extensively. Stock standard on decent rubber I'd reckon there's be little between them. If I was looking at getting serious about club racing I'd take the MX-5 and put a "proper" cage in it (not a token rollover bar). I have a genuine safety concern with uncaged open top cars. I've seen more than one car put on it's lid at a club day and the Pug obviously has the added safety of a roof so it's definetly safer if you have an off.

    Ultimately the MX will be faster, more cheaply than the 205. There's plenty of performance options for the MX which are dead easy to get hold of.
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    When you say "proper" cage do you mean one with front bars or just a proper rear cage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by allmtr
    When you say "proper" cage do you mean one with front bars or just a proper rear cage?
    Front, side and rear. It may seem like overkill and ultimately, hopefully, un-necessary but when you think that at somewhere like Eastern Creek you'll do nigh on 200k's down the straight, if something goes wrong it may be the only thing between walking away and, well, not. Ditto on a "quality" race seat and 5 or 6 point harness.
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    Having driven an mx5 for a weekend, they are great fun, but a toy! 205's are more practical and most likely just as fun (never driven a 205, but might just have to do that)!

    Depends on your needs during the week....not a lot of boot space in a MX5!

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