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    Default I Bought a 206 GTi 180 (2004)

    I'd owned a cheap and standard 2001 206 GTi for a little while before my friend and housemate caught the dreaded frog disease from me, and bought himself a nice Renault Clio Sport 172.

    I pondered for a while about spending 2 or 3k to install ITBs to try to catch up to his 30 extra horsepower. But I settled on just putting that money towards a car with that power from the factory, and with all the extras already installed as well.

    Thus the purchase of the 206 GTi 180.
    I had to get it from Melbourne as I live in Adelaide, and figured I'd find out anything wrong with it on the drive back. Despite being told, as you would expect, that everything is just fine (yeah sure haha).

    It has 150,000km, and is due for a timing belt in about 10,000km. But apart from that everything is prettu good. The "failed to mention" issues with the car have been small enough that I'm pretty happy.

    Left side gearbox seal was slowly leaking, and the gearbox oil was very low.
    Upper engine mounts were worn, you could feel an engine clunk/wobble if you were too aggressive.
    General service was due within 50km of buying it.
    AND to my horror, it would missfire when very cold. Definitely didnt mention that one. Scared me heaps the next morning when I started it to drive home.

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    As soon as I changed the spark plugs the missfire went away. But I think it might be an ongoing problem as Ive noticed it can tend to idle not that smoothly even when warm. Its weird because I had a similar but different missfire at start in the standard 206 GTi. Common 206 issue??

    But all in all it's such a nice car, I cant even think of what Id want to do to it becausr its all pretty much done already. I think Ill keep this one for a long long time

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    At every track day I've been to in the 180, I've beaten the 172 and 182 (and usually 197) Clios times.
    Not saying that's gospel, but it is my single piece of data.

    There's a couple of us with track 180's hooning about, starting to get a bit serious
    206 GTi 180 - Cat Cams, Remapped Group N ECU, AST Camber Tops & Coilovers, -2deg fixed camber hubs by Frogstomp Racing, 24mm Torsion Bars, AP Racing brakes, Yokohama A050, PeugeotSport Baffled Sump, Powerflex Engine Mounts & Bushings, Setrab Oil cooler, Quaife diff, Velo seats.

    Sandown - 1:31.5
    Winton - 1:45.6
    Phillip Island - 1:58.4
    Nürburgring - 10:23.ish (Fiesta ST)

    Previously, 2x 504 Wagon, 505 Wagon, 505 STi, 405.

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    What sort of modifications did you do?
    Im trying to figure out which engine mounts to go for.
    Vibra Technics is expensive but are good quality and strong with extra reinforcing metal.
    Pug1off sells a set of "group N" OEM style extra hard mounts from BBM. Theyre cheap, probably $200 to get the kit sent.
    Or I could just make my own mounts.
    I was literally thinking of buying rubber and filling the voids either side of the mount where the little buffers normally go. or making some out of liquid polyurethane and a mould.
    This would probably include welding a box around the normal round mount to fill with poly.
    Though at that stage I might as well have just spent the money and saved the time to get Vibra Technics from the start

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    Beautiful.........but what's that horrible black thing behind it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeCee View Post
    Beautiful.........but what's that horrible black thing behind it?
    Im embarrassed to say how much work Ive done on that Clio... I even helped take the engine out and put it back in

    Keep your enemies close, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anzactuck View Post
    AND to my horror, it would missfire when very cold. Definitely didn't mention that one. Scared me heaps the next morning when I started it to drive home.

    As soon as I changed the spark plugs the missfire went away. But I think it might be an ongoing problem as Ive noticed it can tend to idle not that smoothly even when warm. Its weird because I had a similar but different missfire at start in the standard 206 GTi. Common 206 issue??

    But all in all it's such a nice car, I cant even think of what Id want to do to it becausr its all pretty much done already. I think Ill keep this one for a long long time

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    G'day,
    there is a definite method to starting a 180. Turn the key until the dash lights are on and you can hear the fuel pump, wait until most of the dash warning lights are out, [ put on seat belt ], engage starter. Wait about one minute before driving. There is a thread somewhere on this forum, if you can find it.
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    My 206 GTI coughed and spluttered terribly on start before I changed the fuel filter and cleaned every removable sensor on the throttle housing. The MAP clean and idle control thingie are the two things that really benefitted from a good squirt of carbie cleaner and judicious cleaning with ear buds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj4llen View Post
    My 206 GTI coughed and spluttered terribly on start before I changed the fuel filter and cleaned every removable sensor on the throttle housing. The MAP clean and idle control thingie are the two things that really benefitted from a good squirt of carbie cleaner and judicious cleaning with ear buds.
    Yeah Ill definitely be doing that soon, there seem to be a fair few sensors available online that arent too expensive, that usually leads me to assume they are common problems on these engines!
    This has an electronic throttle body and Im wondering if all the sensors are part of that unit though? I havent spent much time taking this car apart (yet).
    But i should change the fuel filter now that you mention it, to be safe

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    You can see most of the mods in my sig. It's just had another round of mods, which I'll update when it actually runs in a couple of weeks, but basically ITB's, full wiring loom, cage.

    I would recommend the vibra technics or BBM mounts. There's really no point in mucking around yourself with such items. Pug1Off have been good so far in my experience.
    Things to note though. I've got the solid race version. They transmit substantial vibration from the engine into the cabin. Unpleasant for a road car.
    The upper RHS mount is prone to failure. I replaced 2x oem mounts before going to the Vibra mounts. After a couple more track days, the actual body metal where the mount attaches had torn itself free. I've now re-inforced that body area with 5mm steel bar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anzactuck View Post
    What sort of modifications did you do?
    Im trying to figure out which engine mounts to go for.
    Vibra Technics is expensive but are good quality and strong with extra reinforcing metal.
    Pug1off sells a set of "group N" OEM style extra hard mounts from BBM. Theyre cheap, probably $200 to get the kit sent.
    Or I could just make my own mounts.
    I was literally thinking of buying rubber and filling the voids either side of the mount where the little buffers normally go. or making some out of liquid polyurethane and a mould.
    This would probably include welding a box around the normal round mount to fill with poly.
    Though at that stage I might as well have just spent the money and saved the time to get Vibra Technics from the start
    206 GTi 180 - Cat Cams, Remapped Group N ECU, AST Camber Tops & Coilovers, -2deg fixed camber hubs by Frogstomp Racing, 24mm Torsion Bars, AP Racing brakes, Yokohama A050, PeugeotSport Baffled Sump, Powerflex Engine Mounts & Bushings, Setrab Oil cooler, Quaife diff, Velo seats.

    Sandown - 1:31.5
    Winton - 1:45.6
    Phillip Island - 1:58.4
    Nürburgring - 10:23.ish (Fiesta ST)

    Previously, 2x 504 Wagon, 505 Wagon, 505 STi, 405.

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    I suppose this is a good place to ask something I've been thinking about...hope you don't mind Anzac...

    Early days in your ownership I know, but what difference does the rear suspension make between the standard GTi and the 180? Is it really noticeable?
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    Brett could probably answer better than me, he has tracked both.
    I understand he's replaced his GTi suspension all round with GTi180, so I expect there is a noticeable difference to be had.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuey View Post
    I suppose this is a good place to ask something I've been thinking about...hope you don't mind Anzac...

    Early days in your ownership I know, but what difference does the rear suspension make between the standard GTi and the 180? Is it really noticeable?
    206 GTi 180 - Cat Cams, Remapped Group N ECU, AST Camber Tops & Coilovers, -2deg fixed camber hubs by Frogstomp Racing, 24mm Torsion Bars, AP Racing brakes, Yokohama A050, PeugeotSport Baffled Sump, Powerflex Engine Mounts & Bushings, Setrab Oil cooler, Quaife diff, Velo seats.

    Sandown - 1:31.5
    Winton - 1:45.6
    Phillip Island - 1:58.4
    Nürburgring - 10:23.ish (Fiesta ST)

    Previously, 2x 504 Wagon, 505 Wagon, 505 STi, 405.

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    If feels quite different, in my opinion.

    The GTi kind of squirms about, whereas the GTi180 is much firmer.
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    I think I know what you mean with the squirmyness, at least at the rear. What's the difference at the front hardware wise?
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    Dampers and springs are different. Anti roll bar is bigger. Basically firmer.
    206 GTi 180 - Cat Cams, Remapped Group N ECU, AST Camber Tops & Coilovers, -2deg fixed camber hubs by Frogstomp Racing, 24mm Torsion Bars, AP Racing brakes, Yokohama A050, PeugeotSport Baffled Sump, Powerflex Engine Mounts & Bushings, Setrab Oil cooler, Quaife diff, Velo seats.

    Sandown - 1:31.5
    Winton - 1:45.6
    Phillip Island - 1:58.4
    Nürburgring - 10:23.ish (Fiesta ST)

    Previously, 2x 504 Wagon, 505 Wagon, 505 STi, 405.

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    What's the reasoning behind your start process?

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    I notice some have the flares attached to the guards and some don't ?

    Are the models with the add on flares different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by speaksgeek View Post
    Dampers and springs are different. Anti roll bar is bigger. Basically firmer.
    Yes, the springs are stiffer and the ARB is 21mm vs 20mm for the normal GTi (138).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berridale View Post
    I notice some have the flares attached to the guards and some don't ?

    Are the models with the add on flares different?
    The add on flares was Peugeot Australia selling its unused accessories

    The local 206 "Rallye Edition" model (an otherwise regular GTi) came with a Devil rear exhaust, hatch spoiler and the stick on guard moulds (and a PS2, Logitech steering wheel with WRC 2 game). I think they only came in black.

    The stick on guard moulds were originally a 206 GT accessory, for when Peugeot was homologating the 206 WRC. It had larger front and rear bumpers and stick on moulds on the guards, so that it could mimic the dimensions of the WRC car. None sold here.
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    I saw one GTI sold new with the GT bumper extensions from Taylors of Medindie.
    Father of one of the salesmen bought it. Was painted and fitted locally, but the kit came through the dealer chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    I saw one GTI sold new with the GT bumper extensions from Taylors of Medindie.
    Father of one of the salesmen bought it. Was painted and fitted locally, but the kit came through the dealer chain.
    There can't have been too many around - possibly this one?

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    The only one I've ever seen in Australia is a 206 CC that omak (a former member) owned here in Sydney - a 206 CC:

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    I find that bumper hard to like in isolation. As part of a full WRC widebody kit, it's a different story.
    206 GTi 180 - Cat Cams, Remapped Group N ECU, AST Camber Tops & Coilovers, -2deg fixed camber hubs by Frogstomp Racing, 24mm Torsion Bars, AP Racing brakes, Yokohama A050, PeugeotSport Baffled Sump, Powerflex Engine Mounts & Bushings, Setrab Oil cooler, Quaife diff, Velo seats.

    Sandown - 1:31.5
    Winton - 1:45.6
    Phillip Island - 1:58.4
    Nürburgring - 10:23.ish (Fiesta ST)

    Previously, 2x 504 Wagon, 505 Wagon, 505 STi, 405.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berridale View Post
    What's the reasoning behind your start process?
    Years of practice, and shared knowledge. It was raised often when 180's were relatively new, and everyone who used that prime, start, wait method of starting a 180 found their cold start and driving improved.

    The alternative of cold start and drive immediately almost invariably results in spluttering and hesitation for the first 500m or so.
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    Sandown - 1:31.5
    Winton - 1:45.6
    Phillip Island - 1:58.4
    Nürburgring - 10:23.ish (Fiesta ST)

    Previously, 2x 504 Wagon, 505 Wagon, 505 STi, 405.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speaksgeek View Post
    I find that bumper hard to like in isolation. As part of a full WRC widebody kit, it's a different story.
    That's very polite

    I'm also not a fan - for me it invokes images of the horrible things the modified bumpers (5mph?) did for the looks of European cars (Peugeot, BMW, Volvo, etc) in the USA in the '70s and '80s.
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    I Bought a 206 GTi 180 (2004)-block_130867_rnmvkrtr_.jpg
    206 GTi 180 - Cat Cams, Remapped Group N ECU, AST Camber Tops & Coilovers, -2deg fixed camber hubs by Frogstomp Racing, 24mm Torsion Bars, AP Racing brakes, Yokohama A050, PeugeotSport Baffled Sump, Powerflex Engine Mounts & Bushings, Setrab Oil cooler, Quaife diff, Velo seats.

    Sandown - 1:31.5
    Winton - 1:45.6
    Phillip Island - 1:58.4
    Nürburgring - 10:23.ish (Fiesta ST)

    Previously, 2x 504 Wagon, 505 Wagon, 505 STi, 405.

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    From memory i think it was a silver 180.
    With the kit it was $35-40k.

    I've fitted a bumper on the track 206cc

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    There can't have been too many around - possibly this one?

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    The only one I've ever seen in Australia is a 206 CC that omak (a former member) owned here in Sydney - a 206 CC:

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    Bathurst______2 57.22 Sandown______1 35.29
    Mallala_______1 22.90 Phillip Island___1 56.41
    Winton_______1.43.90 Collingrove______38.08
    Wakefield Park_1 09.46 (Parry's car)

    http://www.ebay.com.au/usr/frogstomp_racing

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