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    I'm pretty sure I've got to do a wheel alignment in the next few days. I took 2 near perfect tyres from the back wheels (less then 1000km on them) and rotated them to the front. The tyres were in such good condition that they still had the rubber dimples (I think that's what they call them) everywhere. Anyway after 2 weeks on the front wheels the front right is still in good condition. The front left however is showing excessive wear on the outside edge. I've had no accidents or hit any bumps or anything like that. I assume I need to take it for a wheel alignment...

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    but the question is where to take my 1994 Peugeot 306 S16 ? I hear that lots of people have diffuculty getting this done right on Peugeots...

    I've read a few recomandations on this forums - and I quote...
    4 wheel alignment at any specialist (I dont mean Jaxx or bob Jane etc) should clear that up.
    I'm close to a Jax and Bob Jane but if they're not recomeded for Peugeot where should I take my car ? Would someone like Paul Vassalo in Gladesville also deal with wheel alignment issues ?

    How much would it cost me approximately??

    Pedders at Hornsby seems to be the closest specialist in suspension - anyone got any comments on Pedders ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slick
    I'm pretty sure I've got to do a wheel alignment in the next few days. I took 2 near perfect tyres from the back wheels (less then 1000km on them) and rotated them to the front. The tyres were in such good condition that they still had the rubber dimples (I think that's what they call them) everywhere. Anyway after 2 weeks on the front wheels the front right is still in good condition. The front left however is showing excessive wear on the outside edge. I've had no accidents or hit any bumps or anything like that. I assume I need to take it for a wheel alignment...

    but the question is where to take my 1994 Peugeot 306 S16 ? I hear that lots of people have diffuculty getting this done right on Peugeots...

    I've read a few recomandations on this forums - and I quote...


    I'm close to a Jax and Bob Jane but if they're not recomeded for Peugeot where should I take my car ? Would someone like Paul Vassalo in Gladesville also deal with wheel alignment issues ?

    How much would it cost me approximately??

    Pedders at Hornsby seems to be the closest specialist in suspension - anyone got any comments on Pedders ?
    I can only comment on my opinion of Pedders based on my personal experience and several friends who've taken their cars to various Pedders outlets for a wheel alignment. The result has always been that Pedders has found some other problem that needed urgent attention, and obviously they've made a bit more out of it than the original cost of a wheel alignment.

    As for where to go for wheel alignment, here in Adelaide I tried a couple of places, and then thru word of mouth found a good shop. With so many S16/Gti6 owners in Sydney, I'm sure someone here will tell you where they take theirs if it's a good place. The good places, once they find the best settings for your car, will keep the settings on computer so there's no mucking around the next time. btw the gti6 (and I've heard the s16 has the same suspension setup) is only adjustable for toe, front and rear. Camber etc is non-adjustable.
    Take the long way home....

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    Slick,

    I wouldn't condone or condemn any place just by name when it comes to wheel alignments. There's nothing magical about it, as it all boils down to how good or (better description) competant the operator is.
    I haven't had a "specialist" do a wheel alignment on one of my cars for ages mainly due to the "couldn't give a stuff" attitude they mostly display.
    Every car I take in either ends up with the spokes in the steering wheel pointing 15 degrees to one side or a car pulling one way or the other or else feeling like I'm walking a tightrope when driving them.
    Personally, I do my own which is a lot of stuffing around, but after trying every joint in town over the years I'm jack of paying through the nose for jobs that I have to eventually rectify myself anyway.
    I think we recently did a write up on the Citroen forum a few weeks back in response to George 1/8 enquiry which you may want to look up or failing that, take it to whever is closest & make noises like you know what you're talking about & who knows; they might do it properly for you.
    Incidentally, when it comes to wheel alignments, price is no guide to the standard of job. Almost all only ever check toe in regardless of all the sales bull.... they may want to tell you.

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    Well, my personal experience is it doesn't matter where you get it done as long as you make sure the shop has the CORRECT alignment data.

    For bob Jane, they don't have much info about Pugs, so I'd recommend you get the info from peugeotlogic.com and show the guys over there you want the exact readings. Don't worry what their opinions are about that. They are so used to RWD that they do all the cars toe-in but on the 206 it must be toe out. The manager warned me he's not responbible for any excessive wear if i insist on toe out after the toe in makes the car dance around and nervous around the corners. I've done 2500kms and the tyres are wearing evenly, even with 37psi per corner.

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    Originally posted by Alan S
    I wouldn't condone or condemn any place just by name when it comes to wheel alignments. There's nothing magical about it, as it all boils down to how good or (better description) competant the operator is.
    I haven't had a "specialist" do a wheel alignment on one of my cars for ages mainly due to the "couldn't give a stuff" attitude they mostly display.
    Every car I take in either ends up with the spokes in the steering wheel pointing 15 degrees to one side or a car pulling one way or the other or else feeling like I'm walking a tightrope when driving them.
    Personally, I do my own which is a lot of stuffing around, but after trying every joint in town over the years I'm jack of paying through the nose for jobs that I have to eventually rectify myself anyway......
    Couldn't agree more...

    And on the subject of the various Pedders outlets, I think you'll find they are franchises anyway.

    When I worked at Discount Tyre Service in Canberra there was one guy there who was quite sincere about his aligning... so they do exist somewhere.

    As for finding other things that cost more, that's their job, isn't it?

    An alignment is of no use if there's a crook ball joint, is it? But if they find a leaky front seal or something, tell them to just get on with the aligning... if you've decided to ignore the good advice and not do it yourself, that is.

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    FWIW, if you go to the bottom half of this thread, you'll find info on DIY wheel algnment.

    Cx Steering Rack restoration.

    Remember that this refers to a CX which is toe-in so it is a simple matter to reverse the dimensions to suit a toe-out application. All you need is the specs from a service manual.
    Toe-out has been used for ages on 2CVs I understand incidentally. Even if you don't feel confident enough to tackle an alignment, could I suggest you at least take a look & do a measure on your car before it goes in for the alignment & again after it comes back for future reference or in case it requires further adjustment.

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    Toe out is used on a lot of FWD partly because the drive action naturally pulls the wheels slightly in anyway.

    Skills definitely vary. I agree with what Alan's said, but my problem was finding someone at a normal tyre place that could do the job. I now go to an old fashioned suspension specialist (you know, in one of those fantastic old dark grotty 1940's buildings) who have a name to uphold and they are just brilliant, and reasonable $$ too. They even knew that the R12 had rack height adjustment eccentrics. I've taken 5 different cars there now, and they could tell me interesting snippets about every one - 'these are set up like this out of the factory, but if you do this you'll get better turn in..'.

    So my advice is to get word of mouth recommendations if you can. You can't tell from the label. I refer loads of work to these particular people. You know they know their stuff.

    Edit - also read up on what setting you want and why, then strike up a conversation with the guy about handling & settings etc. when enquiring. You should be able to tell if they are the kind that are interested or likely to do what you want. The guys in the place I go to chat away once they find out you're not just a normal customer drive-in, and you can tell they're interested.

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    one rule of thumb i have come to learn from experience and from others is you generally don't go to a tyre shop to get a wheel alignment

    i have always had the best alignments done at suspension places or in my own backyard

    the 3-4 times i went to tyre places for an alignment the car felt ok but the tyres scrubbed. why, because they sell tyres and the more they sell the happier they are

    i'm not the only one that has been through this over the years.

    BTW i have a very good friend of mine that used to have a pedders franchise down on the highlands and it was amazing how many cars he would get in there for an alignment after getting one at a tyre shop and they were always out
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    if you havent done so ring liverpool pedders...........their VERY GOOD.......and take the time to set it up properly for you. only thing is you have to book a wk ahead............but its worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
    if you havent done so ring liverpool pedders...........their VERY GOOD.......and take the time to set it up properly for you. only thing is you have to book a wk ahead............but its worth it.
    *eats humble pie* I shouldn't be painting all the franchises with the same brush. Cheers for the info guys.
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    thanks for the info guys - I've been on holidays and just got back so I'll look into the wheel alignmnet in the coming week
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    I just thought I'd update this - ended up doing it today (front wheel alignment was neccessary and payed $38.50) - the uneven wear on the front tyres was a bit of a giveaway in terms on needing to do this really quick. Now I have to move the front tyres to the back (still very new and in good condition) and just get 2 more tyres asap.

    Had wheel alignment done 5000km ago but somehow when my suspension stuffed up at the start of the year (control bushes something or rather needed replacement), the wheel alignement wasnt done correctly
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    Yep I'm with Alan on this one I have done my own alignments for more than four years (300,000kms) now and was driven to it by lack of ability by the experts in town.

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