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    Ok. After doing the sums on the Mi16 conversion for my 205 and the associated problems in Vic, I have decided to go the safe path.
    The conversion looked like it was going to cost anywhere from $4000 to $4,500, with no certainty that there wouldn't be later costs that i hadn't expected/didn't know of. So my situation now is:

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    '88 205 Gti with cracked head from severe engine fry (this is how i got it after buying it from a friend after the heat guage stopped working).

    I am still prepared to put $3,500 - $4000 into the car so what do you guys think?
    A S3 engine is the only thing that I'm pretty sure about, so how much should I expect to pay?
    With the calculated money left what do you think should be done for the rest of the car?
    The clutch and box were just reworked before the trauma so that should be fine.
    Suspension and brakes top priority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruckus
    I am still prepared to put $3,500 - $4000 into the car so what do you guys think?
    A S3 engine is the only thing that I'm pretty sure about, so how much should I expect to pay?
    With the calculated money left what do you think should be done for the rest of the car?
    The clutch and box were just reworked before the trauma so that should be fine.
    Suspension and brakes top priority?
    Dude i suggest if you find an S3 engine that you should also go to the casino and put your $4000 on black.

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    What Luca is trying to say is that your chances of finding a S3 engine are next to NIL.

    Why not just find another head and speak to PeterT about the head package that he and the Wuillemins have come up with. I've driven the final product and its a mile ahead of a standard 205.

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    I was a bit concerned over the extent of the engine damage. My friend had it looked at by some guys in Geelong and they said that it would be cheaper in the long run to replace the engine. I assumed from this that the heat stress could have effected other parts of the engine significantly.
    I won't know for sure until I get it looked at by someone with a bit more peugeot experience but I was just trying to figure out sums for the worst case scenario.
    Any idea how much the replacement head would cost from PeterT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruckus
    I was a bit concerned over the extent of the engine damage. My friend had it looked at by some guys in Geelong and they said that it would be cheaper in the long run to replace the engine. I assumed from this that the heat stress could have effected other parts of the engine significantly.
    I won't know for sure until I get it looked at by someone with a bit more peugeot experience but I was just trying to figure out sums for the worst case scenario.
    Any idea how much the replacement head would cost from PeterT?
    The 75kW pistons have a much shallower dish than the 90kW pistons. Whereas the 90kW head has a smaller chamber than the 75kW head. So ideally, if you're chasing compression, the 90kW head on a 75kW piston/block is the way to go. The only spare head I have is a 1.6L head (also nice small chambers like 90kW). I really didn't want to sell it, but if you offered the right money....?

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    Or get a big skim on the 75kw head to bring the comp up...

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    hmmmmm food for thought.
    I need to get the car in for a decent analysis so that I can figure out whether a head swap would be a feasible option. From what my uneducated brain can figure out you are suggesting that the 90kw head will result in an engine that is significantly improved on the stock S1?

    How much would I be looking at for the 90kw head? Is this going to be as elusive as the S3 engine or is it more within the bounds of possibility (all casino related probability jokes aside)?
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    The 90 kw head is from the S3 eng. therefore $4000 on black at the casino is looking good.

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    I believe the later series 1 405 head is the same as the S3 205 head. You are much more likely to find one of these. There are date marks as part of the casting to pick them out. Also the chamber is about 3mm shallower than the low comp head. A '91 head with new pistons and sleeves and one of Peter Ts cams would certainly be less than $3000.
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    what is the difference between an 8V 405 engine and the 8V 205 engine ???

    there are plenty of 405's around and if the parts fit use them

    i always thought that they are basically the same engine
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    and the BX Tzi 122 motor is the same. Should be heaps of these things around I woulda thought.
    So you need to find out in which way your motor is rooted.
    Best thing is to just get the existing head done.

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    There is a 405 90 model at pickles, could fit the bill perfectly.
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    Thanks for the help guys. Any theories at the moment are just speculation until i get the car in to someone i can trust who can tell me the real extent of the damage to the engine. I'll report back when I have a more concrete idea of the necessary future direction. Then we can all duke it out over what the best option would be

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT
    ...The only spare head I have is a 1.6L head (also nice small chambers like 90kW). I really didn't want to sell it, but if you offered the right money....?
    and what exactly might be the right money...any hints?

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    Default aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhh

    nooooooooooooooooooooo.
    It's the block that's cracked not the head.

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    Just start looking for a 90kW 205/405 motor. Or, I have a spare block if you're interested.

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    That sucks, but I can tell you know... 405 head on 205 engine = Yum. Lots of front-wheel spinning goodness

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ-Studd
    That sucks, but I can tell you know... 405 head on 205 engine = Yum. Lots of front-wheel spinning goodness

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    What??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca
    What??
    Sucks about his cracked block...
    Wheel spinning goodness = Power-a-plenty

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    Buy a 90 kw motor, and don't forget the Motronic ecu and crap that hangs off it. That motor comes from cars with power steering, so you won't need any of that crap.

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    Such a contradiction!

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