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    Default 1998 gti

    hi
    205 gti 1998 144k
    had a problem starting when hot but running ok
    now will not start at all
    parts changed cold start valve
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    fuel lines
    ignition amp
    doesn't have a crank sensor
    all ready had new plugs leads dizzy cap rotor arm
    i have fuel and spark
    won't fire
    checked earths
    checked compression
    and fuel pressure both ok
    i have checked timing as i wonderd if timing belt jumped both holes line up ok on cam and bottom end pulley
    then i checked lines on fly wheel set it at 10 btdc
    rotor arm not on no 1 contact in dizzy ?
    which i thought it would have been
    no 1 piston fly wheel end
    firing order 1342
    i am pulling my hair out now and out of ideas
    can any one shed some light or has had similar problems

    simon

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    Possibly tachometric/tachymetric relay

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    fuel pump relay
    yes thought of that but i can hear pump and have full coming out of injectors
    Last edited by simwal; 24th November 2016 at 08:16 PM.

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    1988 model?

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    How do you know you have spark?

    Have you pulled the plugs to have a look at them?

    Yes, cylinder counting is correct, did you adjust the dizzy to get the rotor arm in the correct position?

    If the tach relay was bad, the fuel pump wouldn't work so fuel pressure would be nil.

    Not supposed to have flywheel (TDC) sensor.
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    yes mate

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    yes i have spark pulled a plug out turned over and was sparking
    i no it hasn't got a fly wheel sensor just put that so no one would say it could be that
    i moved dizzy but rotor arm stayed were it was
    strange as i thought this would move

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    any other ideas

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    Quote Originally Posted by simwal View Post
    yes i have spark pulled a plug out turned over and was sparking
    i no it hasn't got a fly wheel sensor just put that so no one would say it could be that
    i moved dizzy but rotor arm stayed were it was
    strange as i thought this would move

    Not sure what you mean. The rotor arm moves with the camshaft. You need to rotate the dizzy body such that when you put the cap on, the rotor arm points at cyl #1 spark plug wire post. Is this what you've done?
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    yea i tried this and still no luck
    as said i did have a problem with it not starting when hot when it was running
    then just won't start at all now i did think these were linked
    it has to be timing or some electrical problem but have tried every thing i no

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    Okay, so now the timing is set correctly?

    You have to be a bit more clear I am trying to help you not steal your wife.
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    lol
    yea sorry
    yes the timing is set correctly now
    and i am totally stuck in what to check next

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    About the change from not starting hot to not at all. What have you done, replaced since then?

    Maybe list bullet point style in chronological order what has happened and what you have changed.

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    Check that the carbon brush in dizzy cap (is not stuck in) and is rubbing fully on rotor button. (?).


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    Okay, dude.

    This is what you do.

    Get yourself a timing light (good one) and get someone to crank for you.

    Plug the light where you need to, and put the inductor clip over the wire coming out of the coil and going to the dizzy.

    This is to check you have proper ignition pulses there. Point the gun at something that will show how intense the light is (dark underbonnet is fine) and see what happens. If the light is erratic or weak, you have problems. It should fire for all four cylinders, so you get a lot of flashing, nice, even and strong.

    Good.

    Now move the pick-up clip on the first spark plug lead. Repeat. Nice, even flash events, this time four times less events.

    Check all spark plug wires.

    All good?

    You have spark.

    What you checked is that one spark plug fires if you earth it on something and you look at it (maybe that's what did it). Not that it fires when in the cylinder.

    Injectors should work fine by what you said, I take it you have the timing set right (check with the timing light just to be sure).

    If you have spark and fuel, it has to start, there's nothing else that can stop it.

    It may run badly after start, but it has to start.
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    I had the same thing, when the car got hot would cut out and when cooled would start again I changed the ignition amp for a bosh one new not an after market one problem gone i see u are in Perth I am in Mandurah if u want to borrow mine


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    hey mate
    i am in golden bay
    i have got a new amp
    and a new spare one
    the new nowe made no difference
    i have a new bosch one to ill try that one

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    hi thanks for message
    i contacted the garage today he assures me that he set timing with light and is spot on
    i also thought spark fuel should run

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    Aha. So more information is revealed.

    Sorry we can't help you.

    You need to do the checks on your own. Your guy won't do shit, because he thinks he knows what he's doing.

    Good luck.
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    hey are you any good with fault finding ?

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    i have checked timing my self holes line up on pulleys
    but when i move fly wheel to 10 btdc rotor arm is not pointing at no 1 cylinder
    any ideas

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    Quote Originally Posted by simwal View Post
    i have checked timing my self holes line up on pulleys
    but when i move fly wheel to 10 btdc rotor arm is not pointing at no 1 cylinder
    any ideas
    Where is it pointing?
    There are two positions for the camshaft and distributor when the crank is at tdc as the cam rotates at half the speed of the crank

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    Leads in correct order and place in cap?
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    hi yea i no this got bottom hole at 12 cam fully at 7 both holes lined up
    i also took rocker cover off set to tdc by valves on no1 cylinder and rotor lines up with no1 in dizzy
    so timing is correct leads also on correct
    this was just a idea as car running fine before just thought timing may have jumped
    so back to drawing board

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    yes mate and timing correct
    any other ideas

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