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    Hi fellow Pugnuts, how well do you know your Pug? Can you identify this gearbox?How well do you know your Pug?-caja-cambios-peugeot-d_nq_np_258505-mla25038529533_092016-f.jpgHow well do you know your Pug?-caja-cambios-peugeot-d_nq_np_421605-mla25038529638_092016-f.jpgHow well do you know your Pug?-caja-de-cambios-peugeot-404-palanca-al-piso-d_nq_np_117505-mla25038527677_092016-f.jpgHow well do you know your Pug?-caja-de-cambios-peugeot-404-palanca-al-piso-d_nq_np_313605-mla25038528524_092016-f.jpgHow well do you know your Pug?-cambios-peugeot-caja-d_nq_np_111605-mla25038529557_092016-f.jpg

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    Is it a C3 (1:1 top gear ) with an interesting floor change?

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    Nardi, or a copy thereof, though the bent shifter is an interesting twist.
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    Well enough that each of our Pugs has their own name.
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    Yes, C3 gearbox, out of a 404, pre 68
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    Is it a C3 (1:1 top gear ) with an interesting floor change?

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    My guess and it was only a guess, was that it was probably from a 404, it looked that era They also had a brass diff If I'm not mistaken. my Aunt's husband had one, and I recall him saying that the diff was brass and a weak point. He also said that they made great rally cars!

    My own Peugeot I think I know pretty well. I've had 20 years to get acquainted with it and have done a bit over 20,000KM in that time

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    They also had a brass diff If I'm not mistaken. my Aunt's husband had one, and I recall him saying that the diff was brass and a weak point.

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    Weak point? They were very tough as far as I know. The only pain is that the brass diff required special oil

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    You guys never disappoint! Yes it's a C3 box from the Argentinian Peugeot 404 GP(1972-1978). I joined their page on Facebook because for a longtime I've been yearning to find out from them if their factory floorshift was exactly the same as the one we had in South Africa in our 404 GL and they said their early 404 GP used a C3 box with short shifter and their later ones used a BA7/5How well do you know your Pug?-c3.jpg. This here is an arm or bracket, whatever they call it which they added on top of the C3 box in order to convert it to floorshift. How well do you know your Pug?-1511292_10205842797403401_3438269233993721348_n.jpgThis is the interior of the early GP with the C3 boxHow well do you know your Pug?-44278-peugeot-404-gp-d.jpg pic of the later GP with the BA7/box(long shifter)
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    maybe I should have said wear point rather than weak point... He said that over time because the brass was soft the teeth either wore or deformed (can't remember which). But that was a long time ago and I was only a kid so perhaps the memory is somewhat corrupted

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    maybe I should have said wear point rather than weak point... He said that over time because the brass was soft the teeth either wore or deformed (can't remember which). But that was a long time ago and I was only a kid so perhaps the memory is somewhat corrupted

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    They weren't that good, there were 6 upgrades over the years from 1950 to 1970.
    Transmissions got better and better over the years, the front wheel drive ones in my experience are near faultless .

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    They weren't that good, there were 6 upgrades over the years from 1950 to 1970.
    Transmissions got better and better over the years, the front wheel drive ones in my experience are near faultless .
    Front wheel drive 404?????

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    To 1970 was the worm drives, then continued to improve after that, with a couple of glitches such as the 5 speed BA7 which wasn't better than the 4 speed.

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    A Nardi shifter on a C3. Later ones had a rectangular base to the shifter housing, like in the photos Edmund posted above.
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    Crown wheel was Bronze, not brass

    Much tougher, but doesn't like EP oils

    L'Aventure Peugeot have just remanufactured new ones. They are almost too beautiful to put in a diff where they can't be seen. Cost around 500 Euro plus postage

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    maybe I should have said wear point rather than weak point... He said that over time because the brass was soft the teeth either wore or deformed (can't remember which). But that was a long time ago and I was only a kid so perhaps the memory is somewhat corrupted

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    Yes: 514 Euros (TVA included), 428.50 Euros before TVA (TVA is not charged on parts exported from the EC). Then if you join L'Aventure Peugeot, a further 10% discount (386 Euros net price), plus postage which will be expensive.

    I was fortunate to get a NOS worm and wheel set about 20 years ago from the museum in Sochaux for $200. But I am glad that they remanufactured this unit. Just a note, the differential bolts are to be replaced when redoing the rear end. A few NOS sources exist for those, like Joern Haarmann in Germany.
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    They certainly are beautiful aren't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Tippett View Post


    A Nardi shifter on a C3. Later ones had a rectangular base to the shifter housing, like in the photos Edmund posted above.
    Thanx for this pic Mike

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    They don't like EP oils, but are fine on Brasso.



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    I'd love to have a Nardi shifter for the C3 in my 203. Where can I find one?

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    I have only ever seen one which was fitted to a 203c I restored mechanically with a 404 sleeve kit and disk brake front end

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    my old 203 floor shift ( somewhere round daylesford, i think ... sob) was similar, if rough-looking, but worked a treat.
    had thought it was adapted from some thing british but not so sure having seen those, so thanks for that.
    if i can find a photo worth seeing will post for reference
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