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    Hi fellow pugnuts, does the 404 automatic diff have different gear ratios to the manual?
    I would also like to know if all 404 diffs(all models '60 to '75) had the copper inside that required special oil?

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    Same I think although there has only ever been one auto 404 in Australia that I know of.
    The sedans all had the bronze diff, wagons until 1967.

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    Don't know about the ratios.

    Yes the diff needs special oil.

    I am sure Graham will advise (Once he realises you are in South Africa).
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    L'Aventure Peugeot have made new worm crown wheels. They cost about 500Euro. Delivery is quick and reliable.

    Beautiful piece of bronze machining, almost a crime to lock it up in a closed axle where nobody can see it. Transplant planned nonetheless.

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    I wonder if they use the same machine as they did then?
    This shows how a 403 is made. take a look at the worm wheel process!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTmKU_Me1XI

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    in 26:05 they use the trannies as battering rams or what?

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    4.2:1 rear end in all sedans.
    1966 Peugeot 404 Coupé Injection post-restoration reassembly underway!
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    I drove a three speed auto 404 from South Africa in Sydney years ago and i'm sure it had the standard sedan worm rear end. The auto worked okay but noticeably took the edge off the acceleration.

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    Yeah they are quite lazy Bahay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Tippett View Post
    4.2:1 rear end in all sedans.
    Thanx Mike, I just checked the manual and it says 4:2:1 but doesn't say anything about the Auto
    I would just have to assume that it also has the same ratios

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Watkins View Post
    L'Aventure Peugeot have made new worm crown wheels. They cost about 500Euro. Delivery is quick and reliable.


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    Really Andrew? That's the best news I've heard in a while! WOW, I'm on cloud nine. I'm gonna share it with the South African Club, that's a heavy price but it is to be expected. I wonder why L'Aventure only makes certain parts and not others for instance ball joints, tie rod ends have been discontinued, only repair kits available. Is a worm wheel more in demand compared to suspension parts? I wonder what criteria they use, anyway I'm happy for this new info and I just saw this on ebay Peugeot 404 Worm Wheel Assy | eBay. Is this what you are referring to?

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    Tip: when buying parts from Peugeot Classic, join l'Aventure Peugeot as a Cheapo member at 23 Euros and that gives you ten percent off the price of all parts. In the case of the crown wheel, that's more than enough to cover the cost. Also, the TVA (value added tax) should not be charged, which will save another 20%. But postage for the bronze wheel isn't cheap.
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    Hi Edmund

    I was referring to the new , remanufactured ones from L'Aventure Peugeot ( not also Mike's tip about joining and getting 10% off )

    L'Aventure only seem to be selling the bronze crown wheel, which is what I got

    The eBay sale seems to be a pair of (? NOS ? Matched) worm and wheel, so if you can trust the seller it may well be a good way to go

    I have found L'Aventure trustworthy and quick. One generally has to deal with them in French, or at least it goes better that way, but Bruno, who is responsible for the old stuff, is very helpful.

    They have also remanufactured the drive belts for 404 / 504 Injection and have repair kits for the cold start for the injected cars. They are a good source for the sort of stuff which elicits blank stares when one looks for it over here.

    Well spotted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmund View Post
    Really Andrew? That's the best news I've heard in a while! WOW, I'm on cloud nine. I'm gonna share it with the South African Club, that's a heavy price but it is to be expected. I wonder why L'Aventure only makes certain parts and not others for instance ball joints, tie rod ends have been discontinued, only repair kits available. Is a worm wheel more in demand compared to suspension parts? I wonder what criteria they use, anyway I'm happy for this new info and I just saw this on ebay Peugeot 404 Worm Wheel Assy | eBay. Is this what you are referring to?

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