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    After selling my 404 sedan and thinking I would have a break from cars and enjoy the empty 404 sized space left in the shed, I have not lasted even 3 month,s before diving into a 404 ute.
    The ute is a late 1970 model with a 1800cc engine [I hope] it has the 4 stud intake manifold and engine code is
    W58634A can any one confirm this is a 1800 thanks
    With the commercial dash is there a engine temp warning light ?
    Rust you ask, well apart from the floors the cab is good the tray and rear chassis not so good !
    I plan a long slow full restoration.
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    Nice find Marty, looks like a great project car!

    You're welcome to cut the back of the ute you saw last week if it's an easier proposition....

    4 bolt intake manifold is definitely an 1800 head, but whether or not it's on an 1800 block is another matter.....
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    Nice pick-up!
    Sorry, couldn't help myself.
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    My interest in old Peugeots was no doubt established by my late Grandfather's very yellow 404 pickup. My favourite ride when I was a little fella! Haven't seen one here in SA for a long time. Still common in Kenya though.

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    Nice one Marty!

    I'd like to add the car to the registry
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    Thanks Mike
    The body number is 714 0741 engine no is the same build date is 11/1970 was first sold 11/1/72 Griffith NSW to Mr Angelo Barone colour is alpine white with a brown interior
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    Would be a 1600 if the engine number is same as body number.

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    Thanks Mike
    The body number is 714 0741 engine no is the same build date is 11/1970 was first sold 11/1/72 Griffith NSW to Mr Angelo Barone colour is alpine white with a brown interior

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    Thanks Graham how does an 1800 differ from a 1600 is it the bore or stroke or both are there many 1800 engines in the country
    I would like a little more power and a higher diff ratio for this ute as i will be doing free way miles and only carrying one camel
    What is the best compromise.

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    Stroke of the 1800 is 81 mm instead of 73. Bore is 84.
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    I found some time to investigate the ute further and found the bush mechanics have been at it ,there is a steel strap bolted to the gearbox mount block which is connected to the torque tube via a turnbuckle and chain.
    I expect the mount block is no good and possibly the torque tube and big bronze ball joint will need replacing.
    The good news is that the gutters under the windscreen are good and the chassis rails are good.
    Will a 504 /505 station wagon torque tube and ball joint fit.?
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    Marty,
    How lucky are you with the panels under the windscreen! Rusted ones are a major hassle, as you know from your sedan.
    Interesting mod to solve whatever the rear mount/ball issue is.
    It looks like a good buy.
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    I had the the torque tube on my 504 wagon come loose from the gearbox as the four retaining studs came loose in the rear housing of the gearbox ,you could here it thunking as you stepped on and off the gas ,i got onto it before it caused any damage ,its conceivable that the threads have been striped out of the alloy housing ,may only require re taping ,dont utes have 4 stud wheels re the disk front end from a sedan ,pugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugwash View Post
    ... dont utes have 4 stud wheels ...
    Five stud as I recall (from my 404 wagon - many years ago).

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    The ute torque tube and drive shaft are ute specific I believe.
    Can check if someone says otherwise.
    Wagon 404 is shorter I think as the handbrake cable is shorter.

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    I have good spare 404 ball joint bits if you need them. The rear gearbox mount is still available new (the rubber bonded thing) I think, but I have a few of them too. The 404 sedan disks won't fit the drum hubs without machining & other mods.

    Quote Originally Posted by marty 404 View Post
    I found some time to investigate the ute further and found the bush mechanics have been at it ,there is a steel strap bolted to the gearbox mount block which is connected to the torque tube via a turnbuckle and chain.
    I expect the mount block is no good and possibly the torque tube and big bronze ball joint will need replacing.
    The good news is that the gutters under the windscreen are good and the chassis rails are good.
    Will a 504 /505 station wagon torque tube and ball joint fit.?
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    The 404 sedan disks won't fit the drum hubs without machining & other mods.

    And the stubs can spun in four jaw independent chuck if you temporarily weld a piece of angle to the stub. Once in the chuck, the position of the angle iron becomes self evident.
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    Thanks I forgot about the 5 stud wheels.
    I would like to fit a limited slip diff what do i look for and how can you tell what it is without pulling it out of the car. Has anyone fitted aircon to one of these will a compressor bolt to any 2lt motor ?
    So Much to learn.

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    Since the cabin is the same as the sedan a slimline under dash evap should fit in front of the heater.

    Check for lugs on the top of LHS aluminium sump for aircon compressor brackets. There is whole lot of plates and adjusters needed too.

    It's a square port engine it will have compressor mounts.

    You need to lift the battery up and make new mounts, as well as trimming the existing battery mounts to miss the compressor.

    If you fit air, a 505 cross flow radiator is suggested and the condenser is a very close fit with the grille, which needs minor invisible trimming.

    An electric fan on the back of the radiator (in drawing air mode) works the best at slow speeds to force air through the condenser. You need to to remove the magnetic fan clutch assembly to make room.

    Very doable but it is a very tight fit in a few places.

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    Good pictures thanks, well worth doing aircon is a must in QLD will the alloy sump fit a 404 with out change .
    Do the square port engines have any more power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty 404 View Post
    Good pictures thanks, well worth doing aircon is a must in QLD will the alloy sump fit a 404 with out change .
    Do the square port engines have any more power.
    The Square port engines have around the same power as Ti engines and a bit more with Falcon Weber and big bore manifold with a free flow exhaust.

    I've always toyed with the idea of fitting megasquirt to a square port engine with the falcon / weber look alike throttle body, which should bolt up to the Square port manifold.

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    Square port head engines are inherently more powerful than the 1600 cc given the extra 400 cc in capacity. Ideal if for regular use and with AC on.
    I don't know what what extra value there is in fitting a standard older type 504 2 litre motor as opposed to the square port motor - in a ute. That is unless you were carrying 2 camels!
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post

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    Certainly like the idea, and that's a good photo of the throttle body, but I hope you're not saying that I've become a wee bit predictable.

    Have fun,

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    Quote Originally Posted by robs View Post
    Certainly like the idea, and that's a good photo of the throttle body, but I hope you're not saying that I've become a wee bit predictable.

    Have fun,

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    Certainly not, but you have a history of sharing grass roots experience us. the contents of which is invaluable to those "getting around to it".
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    No worries robmac, I wasn't the slightest offended -- perhaps you missed that the underlined bit linked to a video.

    Anyhow, pertinent to this thread, I'm surprised to hear that the square port performed close to the TI. That's an enormous jump from the later 504s in our (now sadly depleted) stable and a pretty big one from the '73 32/34SEIEA which was our quickest carby model. That sort of power would make for a fun 404 -- might want to keep a couple of sandbags in the tray!

    Have fun,

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