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    Default Miss Fire just won't go away - GTi 180

    Hi Guys

    I've got a really intermittent missfire with my 180. Sometimes your start her up (following procedure) and she runs like a dream, other times idling is awful and feels like only three cylinders are firing.

    So far I have tried:-

    New Coil Pack
    New Plugs
    Cleaning Cam Sensor
    Cleaning Coil Pack Connector
    Cleaning Connector to a strange round metal device which bolts in next to cylinder 1 (looking front on at the vehicle)

    The fault codes I'm getting are:-

    Current Fault Log
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    P1336: [Chrysler] Crankshaft Position (CKP) System Variation Not Learned
    [Honda] CSF Sensor Intermittent Interruption
    [Nissan] Crankshaft Position Sensor (CKPS)
    [Mitsubishi] Piston position sensor 2
    [Dodge] Crankshaft Position (CKP) System Variation Not Learned
    [Jeep] Crankshaft Position (CKP) System Variation Not Learned
    [Seat/Audi/Volkswagen] Engine Torque Monitoring Adaptation at limit

    P0354: Ignition Coil "D" Primary/Secondary Circuit

    Pending Fault Log
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    P0341: Camshaft Position Sensor "A" Circuit Range/Performance (Bank 1 or Single Sensor)

    Any help from you guys would be very much appreciated, I've had this issue on and off for ages and it's driving me nuts.

    Cheers
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    When I saw the thread title I thought it was about a female Fuego...

    Sorry, no help at all...

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    Have you tried cleaning all sensors ? Maybe cleaning air pump sensor .. im sure there is one . Is this just on start up ?
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    Might be worth a shot, have you changed the fuel filter or pump at all? I know the error codes indicate otherwise. Also what petrol stations and what RON do you fill up? I recommend BP 98.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug4eva View Post
    Might be worth a shot, have you changed the fuel filter or pump at all? I know the error codes indicate otherwise. Also what petrol stations and what RON do you fill up? I recommend BP 98.
    Yep new fuel filter a few weeks ago and a whole new fuel tank and pump last year :-(

    So now I've lost the Camshaft Position Sensor error and am back to good old P0354: Ignition Coil "D" Primary/Secondary Circuit

    Mostly use Caltex Vortex but occasionally V-Power. Is there a fuel I shouldnt be using?

    Thanks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Lover View Post
    Have you tried cleaning all sensors ? Maybe cleaning air pump sensor .. im sure there is one . Is this just on start up ?
    I've tried cleaning all the ones I could get access to.

    It can happen at any time, earlier on on startup she ran fine almost all the way home and then randomly went back to three cylinders and limped home.

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    Wot brand coil pack ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Lover View Post
    Wot brand coil pack ?
    I think its a Sagem one, its for the RFK VIN.

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    Tricky problem .. are your rocker cover seals leaking badly ? Like making a spark plug swim in oil ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Lover View Post
    Tricky problem .. are your rocker cover seals leaking badly ? Like making a spark plug swim in oil ?
    Everything looks pretty nice and dry, can't find any leaks. I took it to a garage and they more or less washed their hands with it and wouldn't investigate further other than telling me its an electrical problem.

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    Unplug clean replug the vvt solenoid ? Ive heard this can fix quirky problems .. The 180s are a strange machine . Sry .. wish i could help more ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Lover View Post
    Unplug clean replug the vvt solenoid ? Ive heard this can fix quirky problems .. The 180s are a strange machine . Sry .. wish i could help more ..
    No worries thanks for the info. Is the VVT solenoid the thing next to spark plug number 1?

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    Sounds like the one .. battery changed at all ? Wouldnt hurt .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Lover View Post
    Sounds like the one .. battery changed at all ? Wouldnt hurt .
    Yeah I took that out and cleaned it and engine seems to be running ok again but for how long who knows. Yeah battery about 12 months old too.

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    Btw .. i think the brand name sagem causes misfires .. maybe try ngk or valeo . Is the coil pack new ? I thought peugeot dropped them as a supplier
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Lover View Post
    Btw .. i think the brand name sagem causes misfires .. maybe try ngk or valeo . Is the coil pack new ? I thought peugeot dropped them as a supplier
    Ah yeah you're right it's a valeo one I've got

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    Does the misfire continue or is it only immediately upon startup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    Does the misfire continue or is it only immediately upon startup?
    See Post #6 ...

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    Just wondering could a malfunctioning plug cause this issue? I recently put some new ones in and set the gap to be 0.9.

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    A cracked insulator may. Can you get a decent diagnostic rig on, to at least determine the cylinder pair? Then you could transpose plugs to test the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    A cracked insulator may. Can you get a decent diagnostic rig on, to at least determine the cylinder pair? Then you could transpose plugs to test the idea.
    I've only got the odb2 reader so may have to garage it to get a more advanced read out

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    Maybe clean or replace the crank angle sensor if not done already?

    I found this link in the UK on the same issue - The Peugeot 206 Info Exchange ? Forums ? The Car ? 206 Problems ? Another misfiring problem, unsanely difficult to solve!
    They had a gasket breaking down sucking in air at the intake manifold area. Might be worth checking. A chunk of gasket ended up on the injector in this case!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ipb205 View Post
    Maybe clean or replace the crank angle sensor if not done already?

    I found this link in the UK on the same issue - The Peugeot 206 Info Exchange ? Forums ? The Car ? 206 Problems ? Another misfiring problem, unsanely difficult to solve!
    They had a gasket breaking down sucking in air at the intake manifold area. Might be worth checking. A chunk of gasket ended up on the injector in this case!
    I think I've cleaned that one already I'm thinking of taking out the MAP and cleaning that

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    Acually .. how old are the injectors ? Any idea ?
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    You've got to do something pretty dramatic to affect your injectors. If you're worried, inspect a random one.

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