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    Why would anyone want to fit Chinese shocks onto a French car?

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    Where's NAFTA?
    Would still be a lot better than the host of cheap no name Chinese shocks flooding the performance market.
    I would also hope they would be a lot better than the woeful B4 Bilsteins that ARE made in Germany.

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    Where's NAFTA?
    Would still be a lot better than the host of cheap no name Chinese shocks flooding the performance market.
    I would also hope they would be a lot better than the woeful B4 Bilsteins that ARE made in Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    Where's NAFTA?
    North American Free Trade Area -- Canada, US, Mexico -- in this case it's probably Mexico. China doesn't seem so bad does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGRR View Post
    Why would anyone want to fit Chinese shocks onto a French car?
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    for the same reason they fit Chinese tyres, Happy Day or Happy Family, or whatever they are called. Something like that.
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    Not "Longrun" tyres?

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    G'day,
    someone at the FCOTKD had some, can't remember the exact name. Perhaps BIGRR can remember.
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    Chinese shock absorbers?-dsc00475.jpg Good Friend!
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    Need to be re-branded "CHAVER"...

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    In that case, you'd need to fit a set of Run Fast or Run Long to your own feet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    Need to be re-branded "CHAVER"...

    In that case, you'd need to fit a set of Run Fast or Run Long to your own feet!

    G'day, I hope you mean חָבֵר and not "Biggest ****ing scum bags around you usually find them wearing rockports,berghaus coats (even when it is the middle of summer)and there realy ****ing stupid burberry cap that hangs off the back of there heads. you can find them on every street corner drinking white lightning asking people for money or tabs. just over all ****tards!!!" attr: Urban Dictionary: Chaver
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    Yes, I didn't mean chav scum. Still miss that original website from ten years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loopie View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    Not "Longrun" tyres?
    "Longmarch" truck tyres, because when they fail it's a Long march home.

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    Then there's always Goodyear.

    If they last the whole year it's a good year.
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    Returning to the question: why on Earth wouldn't one fit Chinese dampers to a French car?

    I can think of one monumentally stupid reason: being mindlessly tribal about French-ness (like those dills who will only fit Michelins, no matter how poor their performance, just because they're Michelins).

    I can think of another reason which I don't share but which motivates some people (especially owners of older "classic" French cars); namely: Chinese dampers are not original equipment & I want my car to be as close as possible to how it originally came out of the factory (with every fault & design idiocy faithfully reproduced).

    For my own money, it is irrelevant to any consideration important to me where dampers are made; what is important is their specification & their quality of manufacture. Of course there is rubbish around (some made in France) but I'd be confident that dampers made by Bilstein (no matter where made) wouldn't be members of that set.

    I'm interested in tyre performance & generally critical of Chinese brands' capabilities but I also think that that is a fast changing space & can imagine quite happily fitting (by then) class-leading Chinese tyres to my toys in 5-10 years' time (assuming that I haven't carked it) - much as I have fitted Japanese ones & considered fitting Korean ones (& recommended that action to others).

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    my Gedore spanners don't even say 'Made in Germany' anymore, probably because they aren't, but when the forge is the same, the press is the same, the materials supplied are the same the workers are all trained and the quality process is controlled by ex-workers from Germany the spanners are still Gedore..

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    I agree but just don't buy Bilstein B4s!
    As a further example of what you saying I have a 10 /11 mm ring spanner made in India, for 30 years it has been my favourite spanner, not where its made but how its made.

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    Returning to the question: why on Earth wouldn't one fit Chinese dampers to a French car?

    I can think of one monumentally stupid reason: being mindlessly tribal about French-ness (like those dills who will only fit Michelins, no matter how poor their performance, just because they're Michelins).

    I can think of another reason which I don't share but which motivates some people (especially owners of older "classic" French cars); namely: Chinese dampers are not original equipment & I want my car to be as close as possible to how it originally came out of the factory (with every fault & design idiocy faithfully reproduced).

    For my own money, it is irrelevant to any consideration to me where dampers are made; what is important is their specification & their quality of manufacture. Of course there is rubbish around (some made in France) but I'd be confident that dampers made by Bilstein (no matter where made) wouldn't be members of that set.

    I'm interested in tyre performance & generally critical of Chinese brands' capabilities but I also think that that is a fast changing space & can imagine quite happily fitting (by then) class-leading Chinese tyres to my toys in 5-10 years' time (assuming that I haven't carked it) - much as I have fitted Japanese ones & considered fitting Korean ones (& recommended that action to others).

    cheers! Peter
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    If China made Peugeot shocks, count me in. All other brands are shyte in a Peugeot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4cvg View Post
    Returning to the question: why on Earth wouldn't one fit Chinese dampers to a French car?
    I can think of one monumentally stupid reason: being mindlessly tribal about French-ness (like those dills who will only fit Michelins, no matter how poor their performance, just because they're Michelins).
    I can think of another reason which I don't share but which motivates some people (especially owners of older "classic" French cars); namely: Chinese dampers are not original equipment & I want my car to be as close as possible to how it originally came out of the factory (with every fault & design idiocy faithfully reproduced).
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    G'day,
    one other reason. When entering a Concours d'Elegance, some clubs, but not all, insist on every nut and bolt, paint colour and every thing else being totally original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4cvg View Post
    Returning to the question: why on Earth wouldn't one fit Chinese dampers to a French car?

    I can think of one monumentally stupid reason: being mindlessly tribal about French-ness (like those dills who will only fit Michelins, no matter how poor their performance, just because they're Michelins).

    I can think of another reason which I don't share but which motivates some people (especially owners of older "classic" French cars); namely: Chinese dampers are not original equipment & I want my car to be as close as possible to how it originally came out of the factory (with every fault & design idiocy faithfully reproduced).

    For my own money, it is irrelevant to any consideration to me where dampers are made; what is important is their specification & their quality of manufacture. Of course there is rubbish around (some made in France) but I'd be confident that dampers made by Bilstein (no matter where made) wouldn't be members of that set.

    I'm interested in tyre performance & generally critical of Chinese brands' capabilities but I also think that that is a fast changing space & can imagine quite happily fitting (by then) class-leading Chinese tyres to my toys in 5-10 years' time (assuming that I haven't carked it) - much as I have fitted Japanese ones & considered fitting Korean ones (& recommended that action to others).

    cheers! Peter
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    I can think of one monumentally stupid reason: being mindlessly tribal about French-ness (like those dills who will only fit Michelins, no matter how poor their performance, just because they're Michelins).

    I can think of another reason which I don't share but which motivates some people (especially owners of older "classic" French cars); namely: Chinese dampers are not original equipment & I want my car to be as close as possible to how it originally came out of the factory (with every fault & design idiocy faithfully reproduced).

    For my own money, it is irrelevant to any consideration to me where dampers are made; what is important is their specification & their quality of manufacture. Of course there is rubbish around (some made in France) but I'd be confident that dampers made by Bilstein (no matter where made) wouldn't be members of that set.

    I'm interested in tyre performance & generally critical of Chinese brands' capabilities but I also think that that is a fast changing space & can imagine quite happily fitting (by then) class-leading Chinese tyres to my toys in 5-10 years' time (assuming that I haven't carked it) - much as I have fitted Japanese ones & considered fitting Korean ones (& recommended that action to others).

    cheers! Peter
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    I also recall looking inside a not working TV some years ago that was made in China. The soldering was of the standard that I produced the first time I used a soldering iron. In other words, it was awful. Things have changed since that TV episode and China now produces well soldered stuff!

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    I think the Quality Chinese stuff is 10 years off yet!

    Not like the "Japanese Junk" made 60 years ago, it took them 30 years to reach Top Quality! Remember when we steered clear of made in Japan years ago? (Though at least they were game to brand where it was made on their efforts!).

    I just find it a bit hard to pay top dollar for Top brand shocks made in China (At this stage).
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    I have issues with the blatant piracy.

    Been looking at AC hose crimpers, the Mastercool kit is being shamelessly copied for about 1/3 the price. That's not how you build long term confidence, drawing everyone into criminal complicity by dint of their chasing a bargain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    I agree but just don't buy Bilstein B4s!
    As a further example of what you saying I have a 10 /11 mm ring spanner made in India, for 30 years it has been my favourite spanner, not where its made but how its made.
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