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    Default 505 alloy Nuts - two types ?

    I've received shipment of two types of alloy nuts for my 505 and its 15" alloy rims.

    I'm confused as I only thought there were the type on the left with the entire "cap" or mushroom top in one piece, but I've received some that just have a "captive washer" that seems to have some movement up and down a groove encircling the threaded "pipe" and has a smaller rim contact area.

    Is one superior to the other ?

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    I think that I will have some good chance of exchanging these if there is a reasonable difference in the two's reputations, but I'm cautious of appearing too precious if there is no real difference as i intend to deal with the business again and I'm a newbie owner.

    Advice please.

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    The domed nuts are for the earlier TRX and GTI rims. The other ones are for the later (approx 1998) rims.

    Check the profiles of your rim to confirm which suits you. I might be interested in taking the ones you don't need off your hands.
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    OK - I thought there were only 1 type of (non-metric) 15" rims, Now I know different.

    I have 15" rims made in Belgium , France and Italy, but they all seem identical otherwise. Like this one immediately below. Am I correct in saying that these are all Series 1, imperial ( non-TRX) type rims ?


    505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-peugeot505gtirims.jpg

    So this would make these the '92-96 rims GTi series 2 15" rims ?

    505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-87f7.jpg

    So are you saying that in the original post above - the nuts on the left ( mushroom) are for the series 1 and the Nut on the right ( washer type) are for the series 2 ?

    So I should ask for an exchange as I got sent a mixture of nuts for the series 1 type wheels, or are the series 2 type nuts still compatible with series 1 rims, and perhaps even an improvement over the series 1 nuts ?? ?

    thanks for any and all advice.
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    Spot on
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugnut1 View Post
    Spot on
    sorry to be dense but

    !!??? which or both ??

    "are the series 2 type nuts still compatible with series 1 rims, and (or) perhaps even an improvement over the series 1 nuts ?? ?"

    or do I need to get more of the series 1 type nuts as replacements for the series 2 type nuts ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henpecked View Post
    sorry to be dense but

    !!??? which or both ??

    "are the series 2 type nuts still compatible with series 1 rims, and (or) perhaps even an improvement over the series 1 nuts ?? ?"

    or do I need to get more of the series 1 type nuts as replacements for the series 2 type nuts ?
    They might fit but are not compatible.

    One has a "washer" (Series 1) which means that the seat on the rim isn't damaged. The washer sits on the seat and rotates without damaging the alloy.

    The other (Series 2) must have hardened seats. The wheel nut sits in deeper into the rim as well, as I recall.

    (I need at least one if anyone has one spare) as the thread is stripped)
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    Firstly thank you for responding and being patience with my Newbie questions


    Lets see if I have it right now. Ok so this wheel ( I have 9 of these rims now for 2 cars) needs this nut - of which I only have 16 - are they "rarer" than the "mushroom" ones below ??)

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    and this series 2 wheel ( of which I have none) needs these nuts - of which I have oodles-




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    Note that with all the nuts I have of the "mushroom" type (32+ of them now), their mushroom "top" also rotates independently from the threaded "nut" - is this pertinent ? as I have found some bloke in the USA who turns them up out of solid one-piece metal for Subaru people over there.

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    this seems similar to these on ebay for the metric rims

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/PEUGEOT-505-...-/300441543627

    505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-s-l1600.jpg


    So which nut do these 14" wheels require ?
    As I also have a set of those - BUT the above series 2 mushroom nuts came with them.



    505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-1055-series-14-x6-font-b-rim-b-font-wire-pulchritudinous-505-23-107-font-b.jpg

    I really hope this all makes sense .

    Basicxally I want to know if I need to try to swap all the mushroom nuts for the washer nuts to fit the series 1 "trx" style rims.
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    The domed end wheel nuts fit the older type TRX and GTI rims PLUS the 14" rims.http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/att...-series-2-.jpg Thesde are the ones you have plenty of I believe.

    The black nuts fit the later GTI rim(which you don't have).

    There is a seller in France called Max Teal Lion who sells new wheel nuts, but Ian Robbo and other Aussie froggers would probably have them.

    My apologies for any confusion. It's much easier to see what is intended on the laptop, rather than the Ipad/iphone. Watching Australia beat Pakistan gave me the opportunity!
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    The domed end wheel nuts fit the older type TRX and GTI rims PLUS the 14" rims.http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/att...-series-2-.jpg These are the ones you have plenty of, I believe.

    The black nuts fit the later GTI rim(which you don't have).

    There is a seller in France called Max Teal Lion who sells new wheel nuts, but Ian Robbo and other Aussie froggers would probably have them.

    My apologies for any confusion. It's much easier to see what is intended on the laptop, rather than the Ipad/iphone. Watching Australia beat Pakistan gave me the opportunity!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugnut1 View Post
    The domed end wheel nuts fit the older type TRX and GTI rims PLUS the 14" rims.http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/att...-series-2-.jpg These are the ones you have plenty of, I believe.

    The black nuts fit the later GTI rim(which you don't have).

    There is a seller in France called Max Teal Lion who sells new wheel nuts, but Ian Robbo and other Aussie froggers would probably have them.

    My apologies for any confusion. It's much easier to see what is intended on the laptop, rather than the Ipad/iphone. Watching Australia beat Pakistan gave me the opportunity!
    Ok , so it appears I have the "pairs" as I previously posted WRONG, the "washer" type ARE ONLY for the later rims, and are NOT for the earlier "trx" style 15" or the 14" alloys, and should NOT be used on them. ???.

    So does this mean I really do need to return the 16 "washer" nuts to the business that sold them to me with the "trx" style wheels and ask for 16 of the "mushroom" style as replacements ??.
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    No, the washer (domed) are for the TRX/GTI early rims


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    Man -- I'm either totally lost or am having terminal brain fade.



    Domed , or "mushroom" nuts that are loose and rotate but still totally cover the top of the nut = 505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-series-2-.jpg and they go ONLY on these 15"505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-peugeot505gtirims.jpg and these 14" 505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-1055-series-14-x6-font-b-rim-b-font-wire-pulchritudinous-505-23-107-font-b.jpg





    These "washer" nuts which are "loose" and rotate - but only surround the nut shaft = 505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-series-1.jpg go ONLY on these 15" 505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-%24t2ec16vhjike9qu3ki0hbrqrwv-vtw%7E%7E60_57.jpg







    AS the business sold me 5 of these Click image for larger version. 

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    Does this meant that I need to get 16 of the mushroom nuts instead.


    I really hope I have it right now..... I feel sooooo dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugnut1 View Post
    They might fit but are not compatible.

    One has a "washer" (Series 1) which means that the seat on the rim isn't damaged. The washer sits on the seat and rotates without damaging the alloy.

    The other (Series 2) must have hardened seats. The wheel nut sits in deeper into the rim as well, as I recall.

    (I need at least one if anyone has one spare) as the thread is stripped)

    this post is what has confused me - I thought the "washer" was series 2, but this post seemed to say it was series 1.

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    Henpecked, I share your confusion as a fellow newbie. As you have 15 inch wheels, I suggest you banish all thoughts of TRX metric wheels from your mind and save yourself greying hair and sleepless nights. Many wreckers have the wheelnuts you require but, understandably, only wish to sell them with wheels. I have found it cheaper to buy wheels just to get the nuts rather than paying a machinist to fabricate them. You will then have a source of spare wheels, which are easy to disguise as hose reels, bench supports or novelty gardening implements.

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    I don't have any metric TRX 390mm wheels (15.3") I only have the imperial 15" "TRX look alike" wheels and a set of the 14" wheels.

    I do have instructions on how to turn 390mm trx wheels into 16" wheels , so if you want to give me a set of those metric rims for free I'll take them.

    I don't know what those "series 1" 15 inch alloy rims are called in Peugeot speak .

    I have 2 sets of domed /mushroom shaped topped 2-piece lug nuts (below), where those loose but captive "caps" cover the whole of the top of the nut . I would not call these "Washer" nuts,

    505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-series-2-.jpg 505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-img_20150322_185633_817b.jpg 505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-img_20150322_185557_546.jpg



    and I have only 16 of these 2-piece lug nuts ( below) where the second lose piece is a captive washer that fits loosely inside a groove just below the top of the nut. I'm calling these "washer" nuts - they are NOT "domed" - and I cannot find them talked about on any Peugeot forum that I have found so far.

    I want to know if these are OK to use on the 14" and earlier "TRX look-alike" 15" wheels. as I do not have any of the later 15" rims

    505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-series-1.jpg 505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-img_20150322_185633_817a.jpg 505 alloy Nuts - two types ?-img_20150322_185526_447.jpg



    I do not have any 1 piece "solid" nuts which I would now see as a third type of nut.
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    After exchanging emails with Peugeot in England and France, and checking with the European manufacturer of what turned out to be one piece nuts 505 nuts with a 60deg face but which looked like the ball Nuts, its been made clear that these two-piece "washer" nuts are actually 60degree tapered nuts and are not suitable for the ball seated alloy wheels...

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    Quote "the two most commonly found seat styles are the tapered (also called conical, or cone) pictured here on the left; and the radiused, or “ball” style. The two styles must never be mixed. The seat profile in the wheel dictates the nut or bolt seat style. If a tapered fastener is installed to a wheel that features radius seats (or if radius style fasteners are installed to a wheel that features tapered seats), proper clamping force cannot be achieved, and the fasteners are sure to loosen."


    accordingly I have posted the 16 nuts back to the business I purchased the the ball-seated 15" alloy wheels and nuts from, and enclosed sufficient funds to pay the return postage ( insured, registered and trackable) for 16 of the ball nuts.

    Will post up how it all goes. Its costing me an additional $40 in postage both ways - but there you are...

    I had started a thread here as well http://www.505turbo.com/forum/index....-and-lug-nuts/
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    'Tis a long saga that maybe could have been sorted by using Service Box to discover exactly which wheels and nuts would have been fitted to the original cars. Glad that all is good now.!!

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    Am waiting to see, the old nuts were signed for at their business on the 13th, along with the cash for the return shipping , but they are not returning my emails or calls, so .....

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