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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    I guess it depends what you are looking for . 7.5 sec 0-100k is not really GT car stuff. 308 Sports may have been better naming.

    I see Afers being pist that a standard Golf GTI is around a second faster and humble Polo Gti is 3/4 second faster. Not that performance is a major factor, provided it is adequate. Even the Focus ST is second faster (at a cheaper price).

    Apart from not being in same mold as the earlier Pugs wearing the the GT symbol, it seems a capable car.

    Time will tell how they sell to other than Peugeot lovers.
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    Ok then, how fast should a GT be, as opposed to, say a GTi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    Ok then, how fast should a GT be, as opposed to, say a GTi?
    The car has to ranked the same as GTI since no GTI is sold. It's Peugeot's premium GT (sports?) car so it should at least be very similar to competitors:

    Megane RS = 6.0 sec

    Focus ST = 6.5 secs

    At least a Golf GTI - 6.5 sec

    Skoda Octavia RS 6.7 (expected to around same price)

    Probably not Golf R
    Golf R = 5.2 that's not fair $53k car

    But it seems it almost 1 second slower 0-100k than most the competitors. I'd suggest this is a retrograde step.

    I haven't driven one so I'm assessing from figures.

    If they make a GTI, premium sports car it should compete apple for apple with the Golf R.

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    It would be nice if they did an R or GTi 308 with the engine from the RCZ R. Would make a nice competitor to the VW GTI PP...
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    Price is in the RS Megane 265 and Focus ST territory and doesn't seem to be hot hatch they are. You'd think Peugeot would have learned from the 307 Sport and 308 XTS.

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    308R is supposed to be coming out later. Price might be a bit steep though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    The car has to ranked the same as GTI since no GTI is sold. It's Peugeot's premium GT (sports?) car so it should at least be very similar to competitors:
    I'm not convinced by that argument, however its price is probably the main comparer with a person who has no brand loyalty, so yes in that regard it's either overpriced or underperforms.

    I'm sure they have something faster in the wings, but it remains to be seen if it's produced and then sold here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    I'm not convinced by that argument, however its price is probably the main comparer with a person who has no brand loyalty, so yes in that regard it's either overpriced or underperforms.

    I'm sure they have something faster in the wings, but it remains to be seen if it's produced and then sold here.
    That leads to one conclusion.

    Peugeot don't have a true hot hatch in Australia. Other marques do.

    Even the $30k Veloster has more performance.

    Price and perception are always intermingled in car buying. Even the review doesn't present the 308GT as true sports car.

    From a marketing point of view it would a better option not label it as GT.

    All that will do is "dilute" the brand which one stage had performance cars available in Australia.

    It's Peugeot enthusiasts car, rather than a competitor in the "hot hatch" market .

    Time will tell how it sells against competitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    The car has to ranked the same as GTI since no GTI is sold. It's Peugeot's premium GT (sports?) car so it should at least be very similar to competitors:

    Megane RS = 6.0 sec

    Focus ST = 6.5 secs

    At least a Golf GTI - 6.5 sec

    Skoda Octavia RS 6.7 (expected to around same price)

    Probably not Golf R
    Golf R = 5.2 that's not fair $53k car

    But it seems it almost 1 second slower 0-100k than most the competitors. I'd suggest this is a retrograde step.

    I haven't driven one so I'm assessing from figures.

    If they make a GTI, premium sports car it should compete apple for apple with the Golf R.
    For reference I caught a ride yesterday in an Falcon LPi (LPG) sedan - 6.8 secs & 14.9 secs 0-400m (Phase 3 GT-HO @ 14.8)*

    Yes it was a Taxi

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    Ok then, how fast should a GT be, as opposed to, say a GTi?
    Easy

    We all know from mathematics that i = sqrt[-1], just to jump back into the real world and make my argument easier, let's raise that to the power of two. i^2 = -1

    Now we're talking. So onto times:
    308 GT achieves 7.5s
    but, add an i in there and you have to get around -1 off the time.
    A 208 GTi achieves 6.6s

    Perfect. This rule works

    Or I suppose if you want to look at it symbolically the GT lacks that dimension that the unit vector 'i' gives it.



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    Thanks for posting the link, seasink. For a Drive review, it's amazingly non-disparinging.

    On the pricing side of things, I believe the Golf needs to be configured with a few extra thousand dollars of driver assistance and other goodies to be the "fair" comparison that others would like to make.

    I can't find any Focus ST pricing on their website, but it looks to be similarly missing the same things as the Golf GTi standard. Are they still selling them or have stocks dried up ahead of the new model coming very soon?
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    Peugeot models back in the day had 50 million types
    True and not all models made it to Australia, however we are talking about a current vehicle, the 308 GT.

    If Peugeot decided to bring a higher powered model, maybe named the 308 GTI, then it may complete in Hot Hatch market.

    Until the car materialises in Oz, we have to compare what is available.

    Your calculations are complex and imaginary.

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    It doesn't make sense (to me at least) if the 308R makes it from concept to production, why they would have 2 performance cars in the same category with the GT being 'mild' at best.

    There would most likely be a bigger profit margin with the 'R' version and as stated, could take on the likes of the Focus ST, Megane 265 and Skoda RS. It would be price dependent though and need to be in the high 40's low 50's IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgti6 View Post
    It doesn't make sense (to me at least) if the 308R makes it from concept to production, why they would have 2 performance cars in the same category with the GT being 'mild' at best.
    They sold the 206 GTi until the GTi180 appeared.

    They sold the 207 GT until the GTi appeared.

    They sold the 208 Allure Sport until the GTi appeared.

    All three examples had a little overlap, but basically the model was dropped when the new one arrived, save for an extended run on the 206 GTi.
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    Peugeot are are pushing the GT badge on their range through Europe.
    You can get low spec engines with high spec interiors/exteriors on GT line cars
    It's their way of up selling i.e. GT =DS
    R is the new GTi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    I'm not convinced by that argument, however its price is probably the main comparer with a person who has no brand loyalty, so yes in that regard it's either overpriced or underperforms.

    I'm sure they have something faster in the wings, but it remains to be seen if it's produced and then sold here.
    For my money, Peugeot has never been about outright speed...rather that Pug feeling you get when driving one. The French may not do it faster or better than anyone else, but they do it their way. If flat out bang for buck performance is your thing, Peugeot may not be for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    For my money, Peugeot has never been about outright speed...rather that Pug feeling you get when driving one. The French may not do it faster or better than anyone else, but they do it their way. If flat out bang for buck performance is your thing, Peugeot may not be for you.
    That may be true for the lesser non sports models. Where comfort and road holding is often far ahead of competitive vehicles of other marques.

    However when one shells out a sports variant the game changes. Performance becomes a key factor in choice. Especially when some of competitive hot hatches are around one second faster 0-100K and have comparable driving dynamics and braking.

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    The Megane RS220 is more a competitor for the 308GT and it has a similar 0-100km/h time.

    What Peugeot needs to do ASAP is get the 308GT 1.6T mated to the 6 speed auto gearbox.

    As for R being the new GTi... explain the 208GTI?

    R is the same to Peugeot as R is to VW. They sit above the normal GTI model.s

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    I think we already have too many autos in "performance" cars.

    It's a travesty.
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    You need to read the new performance car " manual ".....stop " clutch "ing at old straws.....
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