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    Default 2008 PEUGEOT 308 XTE HDI 5D HATCHBACK - Engine stalling issue

    I have a 2008 PEUGEOT 308 XTE HDI 5D HATCHBACK 6 SP AUTOMATIC, 4 CYL DIESEL TURBO, 2.0L and I have owned since new. Sporadically over the years I have had stalling issues. The first time it happened in 2009 while I was on a trip from Brisbane to Melbourne while accelerating to overtake a roadtrain, it shuddered a bit then the engine just cut and the engine light remained on and the "depollution system faulty" alert popped up on the screen. From there it continued to stall at low speed, particularly when turning corners. When starting it the next morning the engine light would be off and everything would appear ok again, until I would accelerate quickly and it would happen again. After a few conversations Peugeot Assist, they had no idea what it could be I managed to make it to Victoria and take it to a Peugeot Service Centre in Dandenong who could not identify what the issues was, however they cleaned out all the fuel lines replaced fuel filter and then it was fine for a few weeks then it happened again when I was on the way back to Brisbane. Peugeot Mt. Gravatt in Queensland (who I purchased the car from) then investigated and diagnosed dirty fuel as the culprit. I spoke with Peugeot Australia about this and they agreed to ensure the Mt. Gravatt service centre take measures to rectify the issue as their cost. Fuel filter was replaced again and system cleaned then the car was ok for a few weeks then it happened again.

    Since then it has happened 2 more times over the years and again recently. Peugeot Mt. Gravatt could never identify exactly what the issue is. In the most recent event their diagnostics returned a number of codes and then they proceeded to tell me that they need to work their way through each code to hopefully determine what the issue is and each time they addressed a cost it would cost me. I had a mechanic mate take a look at it as he said sometimes it is an algae build up on the uptake from the fuel tank based on experience dealing with other small diesel cars. He checked it and all seemed to be fine. He also checked the fuel which was all clean. The fuel filter had just been replaced at Mt. Gravatt service centre so that appeared fine.

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    I also discovered that there was a safety recall on the 2011-2012 308 models due to engine stall issues, I put a request through to the
    Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development who investigated whether my 2008 model would be considered but they declined due to no evidence of systematic safety issues nor any non compliances from a manufacturing of my model. They then referred me to the Office of Fair Trading to seek further advice should I wish to pursue it. For now I have left it there.

    I decided not to take it back to Mt Gravatt as I cannot afford to keep rolling through an expensive process of elimination and now I have a vehicle which will not even idle for more 1 minute before it stalls again. So it sits in my garage.

    Sorry for the essay, but I thought it appropriate to provide some background to the issue.

    Is there anybody experiencing similar problems, out in Peugeot land with this particular 308 model? Any advice, insights, tips, suggestions, cures are welcome.

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    So, to sum up, the car runs well after a new filter or clean out, but only for a while. Then another clean fixes it.

    I had an algae/bacteria problem in the fuel of one of my vehicles probably 15 years ago. It formed black strings which clogged up everything, so very easily diagnosed. I don't know how the infection started, but once I cleaned the system, and kept using diesel fuel biocide in the tank the problem didn't recur. Apparently it comes in with water contamination.

    Do you know what the error codes are?
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    Thanks for your reply seasink, yes you have pretty much summed it up, except this time after a fuel filter change it just got progressively worse until it starts then shuts down in less than a minute. When my mate checked it there was very little evidence of algae. I do recall more than one code, however the only one I can find on my service paperwork for the most recent check at Mt Gravatt is P0088.

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    P0088 is fuel related -it's from the sensor on the high pressure fuel rail - pressure too high.

    It would be nice to know the other codes. Is something blocking the fuel, eg at the injectors? Don't pull the rail and pipes apart lightly, get a diesel shop to look if it gets to that. The pressures are stupendous and the seals are critical.
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    Just a postscript pure speculation - the Volume Control Valve built into the high pressure pump might respond to a blockage ahead signal and cut the fuel down. It would probably be logged by the computer. This would definitely be a job for a diesel specialist. https://books.google.com.au/books?id...%20vcv&f=false

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    Thanks for your advice seasink. Yeah I foolishly did not take note of the other codes when the service centre spoke to me, however they did mention possibility of the pressure regulator being faulty and that was next in line on their list of replacement items. I was not cashed up enough to proceed and considering they potentially replaced a fuel filter that was most likely ok, I was reluctant to keep forking out coin with this dealer service centre. Perhaps I should find a diesel shop straight up and get it towed there??

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    Was the regulator faulty, or was it responding to a problem? There are a couple of knowledgable forum members in the Peugeot/Citroen service game who may have seen this before, so hang on a bit. If the high pressure side is indeed involved I'd personally use a specialist diesel workshop.

    Changing fuel filters and draining water from them is a simple DIY regular service on the 2.0 HDI engines.

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    Ok thanks seasink. I'll hang tight and see if any other forum members have any insights too. I appreciate your feedback.

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    It would probably be ideal to see what "live data" can be obtained by someone with the factory style diagnostic tool (either Peugeot Planet or Diagbox) plugged in as the car starts and runs.

    Fault codes are not the whole picture and nearly all aftermarket diagnostic gear offers an incomplete (or, worse, inaccurate) amount of data.

    Was the car ever misfueled with petrol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    It would probably be ideal to see what "live data" can be obtained by someone with the factory style diagnostic tool (either Peugeot Planet or Diagbox) plugged in as the car starts and runs.

    Fault codes are not the whole picture and nearly all aftermarket diagnostic gear offers an incomplete (or, worse, inaccurate) amount of data.

    Was the car ever misfueled with petrol?
    Thanks for your post addo and for your advice. I will need to find someone reliable in Brisbane with this diagnostic capability. No misfueling events.

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    Need to get the fault codes cleared then get them checked immediately after the fault reappears.
    Realise this is a bit hard if car is immobile
    Not sure if this can be done with an OBD scanner or not. OBD port is behind rubber mat just below ashtray

    Do you use any particular brand of fuel exclusively?
    Reason I ask is I have the same motor and use BP majority of the time. Sometimes with a couple of tankfuls of Shell I get the feeling that the motor doesnt completely like it...nothing I can really identify but seems a reoccurring impression


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    You need to familiarise your self with the consumer protection codes, there is no way you should be paying for anything related to a fault that first occured and was present under factory warranty and continues. This is in breach of statutory rights, go see someone who nows about ths and do yourself a favour and get a car that is reliable.
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    It might come to that if it's a mechanical fault, but what if it turns out to be a fuel issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decca View Post
    Need to get the fault codes cleared then get them checked immediately after the fault reappears.
    Realise this is a bit hard if car is immobile
    Not sure if this can be done with an OBD scanner or not. OBD port is behind rubber mat just below ashtray

    Do you use any particular brand of fuel exclusively?
    Reason I ask is I have the same motor and use BP majority of the time. Sometimes with a couple of tankfuls of Shell I get the feeling that the motor doesnt completely like it...nothing I can really identify but seems a reoccurring impression


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    Thanks for your advice Decca. I dont use a particular brand of fuel exclusively. I usually stick to BP & Shell, but the first time it happened I was using BP all the way down to Melbourne. Do you think a mobile mechanic will have an OB scanner in his kit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    You need to familiarise your self with the consumer protection codes, there is no way you should be paying for anything related to a fault that first occured and was present under factory warranty and continues. This is in breach of statutory rights, go see someone who nows about ths and do yourself a favour and get a car that is reliable.
    ACCC is not off the cards yet Matthew, but making sure I do my research first. Ultimately I would like to have the car back on the road in safe working order.

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    Nope, just write a letter of demand after familiarising yourself with the act, I had the references but basically its not fit for purpose and has a fault since new and as such it breaches your stautory rights. ACCC is useless unless there are large numbers and this does not fit that case.
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    Have you seen this thread? Symptoms seem fairly similar - problem turned out to be the injectors!

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    Quote Originally Posted by luluai View Post
    ... I had a mechanic mate take a look at it as he said sometimes it is an algae build up on the uptake from the fuel tank based on experience dealing with other small diesel cars. He checked it and all seemed to be fine. He also checked the fuel which was all clean. The fuel filter had just been replaced at Mt. Gravatt service centre so that appeared fine.

    The fact that it cuts out under acceleration makes it sound like fuel starvation to me. Are you quite sure your mechanic mate checked the in-tank strainer (I don't think this model has an in-tank pump, but surely has a strainer)? I know your fault code is saying fuel pressure too high, but the car in the above thread had both high & low pressure errors - the pressure was found to be low when actually measured, and the fuel pump had to be replaced. This is quite separate to the fuel filter that has been changed so often, and can be blocked without you seeing evidence of dirty fuel or a blocked fuel filter.

    This happened to me with a petrol car, and at first the engine only cut out very occasionally, then more and more often until it became virtually undriveable. All fixed with a simple strainer clean...

    In the example linked to above, the car had both a faulty pump (giving low pressure in fuel system) & blocked injectors. Presumably low fuel pressure over time caused the injectors to foul...


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    That's one scenario from my point earlier. If the fuel outlet is insufficient (ie injectors) the rail pressure will go high, and the volume control valve may cut back fuelling. Injectors on these common rail diesels are skinny things hard to get at, can be hard to get out after a while, and easily damaged when removed. You then have to be sure the rail and pipes don't leak. I would prefer a specialist did it.

    If obstructed, the cause of the obstruction needs to be fixed too. What's a little different is that a filter change and cleanout fixes it for a while.

    A full error check would be helpful before we speculate too much..
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    I dont know if the OP has the problem resolved. I had almost the same symptoms and it turned out to be the turbo. Just sharing my experience.
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    Hi All,

    Thank you for all your advice and guidance to date. As some of you have indicated, the issue has some complexity which requires a deeper look before further speculating. I have just had the car towed to Peugeotech in Brisbane this morning. I will let you all know what their prognosis is once they have completed their diagnostics.

    Chat soon.

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    Algae is highly unlikely in mineral diesel, it needs water to iive in that environment. No water = no algae. Its a good blame factor but I know a thing or three about it.
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    I don't know what's carking up luluai's car, but next time one of my family's trucks get the black crap in their pump I know where to go for help. Every diesel tank I have ever seen has a little water in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luluai View Post
    Do you think a mobile mechanic will have an OB scanner in his kit?
    Theses days I'd suspect it would be an essential bit of kit. Just an assumption on my part

    Good luck with it

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    Hi All,

    Just to give you an update. I had the diesel pump and injectors sent off to diesel specialist. Fuel pump failed due to low fuel on performance. 2 injectors failed due to over fuel and other 2 due to low fuel. So it ended up being a replacement pump and replace all injectors. Not a cheap exercise, but car is now running well.

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    Thanks for the update. Sorry about the $$$, but I'm glad it went to a specialist. Do you know what was the first fault in the chain?

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