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    Default 1993 London to Sydney

    I am trying to trace a couple of guys who were in a 404 in the 1993 LtoS.
    The navigators name was David Jones ( Welsh of course)
    The drivers name was (the memory is a bit fuzzy) Paddy Kirkpatric John Fitzpatric etc. He was the editor of the Castrol Trade Journal in Dublin ( he is Irish) you would never guess!
    Long story but we welded up the Torque tube at about 2 am at a farm near Omeo cooked them a BBQ and lots of hot coffee we were just out of the snow line.
    The Irish guy sent me an article about our meeting he wrote in the Castrol Journal and a few Xmas cards,all of which have gone to lost land.
    I have tried to find their names on entry lists etc with no success .
    They did finish the event I remember.
    I was wondering if anyone can confirm their address etc or where I might try. I have tried the Castrol trade journal mentioned with no success.

    Any suggestions?

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    Google tells me that Paddy McClintock of Ireland drove a Peugeot 404.
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    It was supposed to be the original car from 1968.


    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    Google tells me that Paddy McClintock of Ireland drove a Peugeot 404.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    Google tells me that Paddy McClintock of Ireland drove a Peugeot 404.
    And according to the programme, the navigator was David Dunn, Peugeot 404, Car 9. It completed the event in 56th place, with cumulative time penalties of 28 hours, 37 minutes and 14 seconds. Not bad compared to the winner Francis Tuthill/Anthony Showel Porsche 911 with 13/36/11.
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    I remember it had a noisy exhaust when it arrived at our control at the start of Nunniong Road, south of Omeo.

    The other 404 was from Holland, they had gone to the trouble of using drum brakes to keep it original to stay in the rules.
    Then they fitted a 2 litre 504 Ti engine!
    What's more they used the all steel sump, which doesn't clear the cross member in a 404, it was getting a good thumping, probably the owners spent an absolute fortune getting it prepared by the "experts".
    Interestingly they had 5 stud wheels, may or may not have been original. Fitted to the rear on a standard looking diff assembly, so not stock ute or wagon stuff.

    I had met up with Dave Horsey, 504 driver from Kenya in Wangaratta the night before, he was busy changing the internals from a replacement gearbox to his housing, once again to stay within the rules. He was driving a 504 and breaking 3rd gear, common in BA7 boxes, cost him the chance of a good place. He was scathing of another entrant who not only fitted a BA10 but a BA10/5!
    Both the Kenyan 504s had blitzed the stage across the Nullabor with the 1st and 2nd fastest times overall.
    Mike Kirkland placed 3rd outright at the finish in his 504.
    They were using 504 ute struts with stock OE Peugeot made shockers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    The other 404 was from Holland, they had gone to the trouble of using drum brakes to keep it original to stay in the rules.
    Then they fitted a 2 litre 504 Ti engine!
    What's more they used the all steel sump, which doesn't clear the cross member in a 404, it was getting a good thumping, probably the owners spent an absolute fortune getting it prepared by the "experts".
    Interestingly they had 5 stud wheels, may or may not have been original. Fitted to the rear on a standard looking diff assembly, so not stock ute or wagon stuff.
    That particular car had a lot of work carried out on the rear end at the Port Augusta stop. Apparently it was a very early model car. One of the helpers/spectators travelled back to Adelaide in order to find the parts, and returned before the start the next day to get it going.
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    I don't suppose anyone would have the VINs of these 404s....
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    Dave Horsey went to great trouble and expense to source his gearbox from a wrecker in Sydney. If only I had known I could have delivered one to Wangaratta for free!
    The Dutch 404 had very large drums, probably the thermostable set up, so they weren't original as the very early cars had 403 brakes.
    Thinking I may have been wrong re retaining the drums for eligibility reasons as they may have been all that was available. I don't think the discs were that common in Europe, they would have all been buying 504s by the time the discs came out in 404s.

    Sorry Mike, no idea of numbers, bit of a long shot but worth asking I guess.



    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    That particular car had a lot of work carried out on the rear end at the Port Augusta stop. Apparently it was a very early model car. One of the helpers/spectators travelled back to Adelaide in order to find the parts, and returned before the start the next day to get it going.

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    Thanks Guys
    Just goes to show memory has gone to mush.
    I would be surprised if it was the original car from the look of the underneath, but obviously I have been before.
    They were a couple of guys who were really into the spirit of the event. Good memories.
    Paddy introduced David with a very broad Welsh accent, as "David Jones" (my son remembers that).
    David had built the car from scratch. I think Paddy came with Castrol $s
    I am going to try and find these guys and get in touch . I will report the outcome.

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    It was being claimed it was the original, maybe it had been reshelled as so many "original" competition cars are.
    Good example is Moffats Mustang, the only original thing is the roof, this was stated in an Auto Action article back in the 1970s.

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    Thanks Guys
    Just goes to show memory has gone to mush.
    I would be surprised if it was the original car from the look of the underneath, but obviously I have been before.
    They were a couple of guys who were really into the spirit of the event. Good memories.
    Paddy introduced David with a very broad Welsh accent, as "David Jones" (my son remembers that).
    David had built the car from scratch. I think Paddy came with Castrol $s
    I am going to try and find these guys and get in touch . I will report the outcome.

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    I received a reply from Ron Jackson (He took over TWR) after Nick died. He could not help , Tried Castrol IRL no success .
    Any other suggestions?

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    I wonder why they didn't just use an early ID19 ..... there mechanically near indestructible ..... and are unbeatable in these types of long distance difficult events.... bog standard, she'll be right, it'll outbrake and out handle everything when the going gets tough

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    Because it was rerun of the original 1968 event and the 404 was reputed to be the original Kentredder entered car.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    I wonder why they didn't just use an early ID19 ..... there mechanically near indestructible ..... and are unbeatable in these types of long distance difficult events.... bog standard, she'll be right, it'll outbrake and out handle everything when the going gets tough

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    Because it was rerun of the original 1968 event and the 404 was reputed to be the original Kentredder entered car.
    Was that the car that was said to have done the trip on re treads?

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    Yes, nothing wrong with retreads, we did the Repco Trial in 1979 on Bandag retreads without a single puncture, including the notorious Nullarbor section from Watson on the railway line to Nullarbor Roadhouse.

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    Was that the car that was said to have done the trip on re treads?
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    Back then 80% of road freight was carried on retreads around Australia. Nothing wrong with Bandags!
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    Yes, nothing wrong with retreads, we did the Repco Trial in 1979 on Bandag retreads without a single puncture, including the notorious Nullarbor section from Watson on the railway line to Nullarbor Roadhouse.
    I recall that particular 404 did the whole London - Sydney without a puncture on their re-treads.

    Some of the grippiest tyres I ever experienced were retreaded XzX's on a 403 wagon.

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    Sorry to say my search has been fruitless, not sure where "Band Aides" got a mention! That was their name in the transport industry, have you noticed there are a lot less thrown treads these days. But someone made a $ !

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    I have just sent an email to get the address of a guy in Ireland who may know.

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    Thanks for your trouble,will keep fingers crossed.

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