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    too cool!!

    just purchased my 1st peugot 505. great car, cheap price but the heater is not working (melbourne winters are cold!!)... have not had a chance to look yet - anyone have a clue?

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    check to make sure the hoses are connected first
    if they aren't then it might be a good clue as to the heater in the car was leaking
    if they connected then check to see if the tap is opening up when you move the lever
    i'd be pulling hoses off to make sure there are no obvious blockages (had this with a 604 once)
    i'm not sure how difficult it is to pull a 505 heater out but if they are the same as 504's they are pretty easy
    the 604 i had with a similar trouble had an 'o' ring from the tap mounting blown out and blocking the passage for the water to flow through
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    merci beaucoup ha ha thankyou .. thought could be a hose but only had the car 5 days and have had no chance to look or drive. your reply is greatly appreciated!!

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    Sometimes heater hoses are routed back to the engine instead of through the heater core to stop heater leaks into the cabin. Hopefully this is not the case with yours. wink
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    Hey ! It's easy to get the heater core out of a 505. All you have to do is remove everything between the radiator cap and the boot.

    Had a go once because of a crook tap and gave up.

    It doesn't go because like the man said it used to leak and they rerouted the hoses, or, it full of rubbish (clear gently - reverse flow, with bubbles in the water if you can get near a compressor & adaptor), or, it's got an airlock (disconnect upper hose and fill it up and put back).

    If it's running water OK and still not hot enough check out the tap (which has some sort of thermostat control on it) and see if it opens properly. Otherwise get a hotter rated thermostat for the cooling system - and it will run cooler in the summer as well, it will, believe me.

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    My heater tap seems to be doing the opposite, it's always too hot!

    Setting the temp control to any position above the "coldest" notch provides me with full-on heat.

    Been OK over winter, but now that spring's here, I'd like to have some sort of control over the temperature...

    Looks like I'll be taking things apart fairly soon.
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    As far as experience tells me, the heater on the 505 is to good for it's own good... Our SR Wagon, my GTi and another GR i regularily see, all have this same "problem".
    I have just learnt to live with it. I find that having the sunroof open, with the heater on low is a good compromise.
    I dont think you can "fix" it!
    Do you have an air deflector on your sunroof? If not, i strongly reccomend getting one. It means you can even open the roof while it is raining, and stops buffeting at highway speeds
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    Hmmm... another French quirk I have to live with .

    I haven't got a wind deflector for the sunroof at the moment. I was going to attempt to make one of those little ones that flip up when the sunroof's opened like in newer cars (simply because I like a good challenge...)

    In the meantime, I've found that opening the rear windows a little helps to reduce the buffeting at higher speeds, however with an increase in noise.

    Could you explain to me though how the wind deflector is able to stop rain coming in when the roof is open?? Surely rain gets in when the car's moving slowly or stopped??

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    With the wind deflector, you can have the roof open a little way, because it covers about 15cm of the opening. I know the Regan's has one left at the moment for $35, so if you want one, give them a ring.
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    Too hot !

    This can be tough because of the thermostat thingy that controls the tap, regardless of what you want.

    Try a restriction in the hose. Quick way - clamp it and squeeze; other way - separate fixed tap set by trial and error. You can get ones for about $20, I think, they are manual for cable operation and were for early holdens or foulcans.

    They are also a good replacement for the Renault 20 ones that last for about one season - you have to leave the original insitu because of the "dual feed" arrangement.

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    Silverexec - my car has the hot/cold problem too... I just figured it was a design flaw .

    Is anyone can tell me how to fix it, I'll be much indebted...

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    bob:

    This can be tough because of the thermostat thingy that controls the tap, regardless of what you want.
    Is there a separate automatic heater control or something? Can it be disconnected so the heater can only be controlled manually? Or repaired?

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    silverexec:
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    Is there a separate automatic heater control or something? Can it be disconnected so the heater can only be controlled manually? Or repaired?

    Richard
    Richard,

    There were two types of heater controls fitted to the 505. The early type was a cable operated valve fitted to the side of the heater matrix (just to the left of the driver inside the car). This valve has a thermostat override and whilst I've never had cause to take one apart, I suggest [if you have this type] that you check the control cable for full movement with the dash slider. Apart from that, the valve could be just stuck with dirt inside, in which case it would need to be removed and cleaned. Failing that, it would need replacing.

    The other type of heater control (on a 505 series II wagon that I had) is all electric. In this type, the heater control valve is mounted in the engine compartment on the RHS below the brake power booster. I did have troubles with this system and once removed the valve completely, stripped it down, cleaned it and put it back. This is something that Peugeot say you can't do, as supposedly the unit is not repairable. Well the needle valve had some gunge inside and the sealing rubber gasket was a little worn, so I made another gasket and put it all back together with some lithium grease on the needle stem. Also, I replaced some rivets with screws. After that it worked perfectly. Before this, the valve had basically shut itself off, but I suppose it could stick in any position.

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    Hey Denis,

    Thanks for the info. Mine definitely has the early cable controlled valve, and when I move the slider, the control arm seems to operate OK.

    I guess I'll have to take it out and have a closer look, and give it a good clean out.

    Now I know it's just another French quirk (no. 132), but why does the valve have a thermostatic override?? Just to be different I guess... wink

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    Hey Denis,

    snip..
    Now I know it's just another French quirk (no. 132), but why does the valve have a thermostatic override?? Just to be different I guess... wink

    Cheers,
    Richard
    Richard,

    No it's not another French quirk - lots of modern cars have this feature. It is a form of climate control (on the heating side). Basically you are setting the temperature that you want in the car, and the heater control valve does the rest to maintain that temperature.

    504s have a similar arrangement but I think the 404 may not have had a thermostatically controlled heater valve. (I had a terrific 404 eons ago) It had an incredible heater - and you could just about roast an ox in the car - but I seem to remember having to alter the 'heat' setting quite often... so that's why the later types were developed.

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    Ahaaa... so there's actually a form of climate control installed, that's pretty cool! (or hot)!

    When I've got some spare time, I'll have to take a look at it. It would be excellent to get it working properly again. Thanks again for your help!
    dance cheers!
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