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    Default 406 Auto - Is it REALLY that bad?

    As you may know, I'm in the market for a 406 HDi and whenever one comes up its an auto. The immediate reaction is NO .. .becasue I keep hearing those voices in my head that the 4 speed auto was a real slug. I've neither owned nor driven one, so can anybody please give me a proper review of the 4 speed auto in the pug 406?

    Is it better suited to a diesel? should I buy one, or just plain AVOID?

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    Avoid

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    Don't avoid it's ok easy and cheap to fix
    as a long term thing
    as long as it's rebuilt by a proffessional

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    I heard the same thing which is why it took a very long time, on and off, to find a petrol manual D9 406.

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    The French are very good transmission designers, always have been.
    the AL4 is a fantastically good design in such a way that:
    the 2 electro valves will not let the clutches burn out unlike any other Auto trans manufacturer.
    they will stop shuffling when they get a little contaminate and give those terrible symptoms, that all the froggies know about
    but there is a way around that!
    but the protection of the main components is what's important.

    this is not a new thing, they have been doing this since the mb1 mj3 from the Renault 21
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    It's not that there slow ... More like a psychotic random number generator decides which gear you should be in ..... And that's if you manage to find one that isn't broken. I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole (there destroyed the resale value of a vast range of cars by fitting that gearbox, Xantia, C5, xsara,c3,c4,307,407,306 ,etc,etc....).

    The reason we have a 407 and not a C5 is there was no C5's in my price range that didn't have the AL$ gearbox fitted.

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    I have a 406 deisel al4 done 195000ks no problems other than solinoids at 40000ks.Change oil every 20000ks. Tomfrog

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomfrog View Post
    I have a 406 deisel al4 done 195000ks no problems other than solinoids at 40000ks.Change oil every 20000ks. Tomfrog
    There's a few around that have done big miles if you ask around. The probably is there is WAY to many that die at extremelly low milage ... over and over and over and over

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    I've seen al4 gearboxes with over 300000 kms on them with regular oil changes But I've also seen them die at 100000 without services. It all comes down to how it was looked after.

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    I have a 307 diesel that is about to clock over 300,000 without being touched, not even a clutch. Because it's a MANUAL. You would be mad to be anything with an AL$. There I've said it, I agree with Shane. They really are a dreadful thing, biggest problem with them besides the cost of repairs is that they will stop anywhere anytime without warning. I've many stories of people pulling up at lights and going to take off with a transmission full of nothing, no warning at all.

    Shane talks about resale value (or lack of it) ever noticed that now these cars are getting up there the manuals are holding there value more than the autos.

    But then again there so boring to drive not knowing if your going to get there does ad some spark to the trip.
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    Country cars do get higher kms than city cars. I always tell people your better off with a high km country car than a low km city car. It's the constant gear changes that kill them.

    Recently I was driving a friends C5. It was quite funny, I was sitting with the engine running in park waiting for her to come out of the bank not taking any particular notice of anything. Then I noticed the speedo read 268,000km and I thought wow that many with an AL$ and all of a sudden buzzers start going off and WARNING AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FAULT comes up on the screen so I quickly switched it off and sat there for a few minutes and the owner came back and I started it and holding my breath put it in drive and what a sigh of relief when it moved. This is a country car but I fear it's on it's last legs, we have seen city cars with less than 100,000 on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchtranstech View Post
    this is not a new thing, they have been doing this since the mb1 mj3 from the Renault 21
    WoW! It makes sense that somebody who defends the AL4 would also think the renault 21 auto is a benchmark!
    If you want a cheap (rooted) AL4 to play with, I've got C5 HDI with one in it that is proof that the best way to further damage the resale of a modern citroen (and a vetry nice car otherwise) is to put one of these stupid transmissions in it.

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    How much has he quoted you to fix it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    Country cars do get higher kms than city cars. I always tell people your better off with a high km country car than a low km city car. It's the constant gear changes that kill them.

    Recently I was driving a friends C5. It was quite funny, I was sitting with the engine running in park waiting for her to come out of the bank not taking any particular notice of anything.
    Hmmm sounds like you need to reconsider your choice of getaway car......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Ch View Post
    Hmmm sounds like you need to reconsider your choice of getaway car......
    It was on a recon mission.....
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    I service a car for a friend 406 hdi auto, has 319,000 on the clock never replaced a solinoid nothing, just changed tranny oil every 100,000
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    Cost me $4.5 k to re build, never could get the ECU to run "sport" again. "adaptive" auto was a pain in city driving.
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    Peugeot managed to destroy a complete generation of cars using the AL4. It is a shocker, neither reliable or nice to use.
    My partner just sold her 307 with 85k on it and it needed solinoids. Quote $1000.

    Avoid!

    The transmission however, was just one item on a long list of completely unacceptable quality issues.
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    As I said in an earlier post, I looked for a MANUAL D9 406.

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    I really wanted a French auto around 2008-2009 for my recently licensed daughter (and so did she, being a bit of a Francophile and having visited France) but couldn't because of this issue. She's fine driving a manual, but will be doing many city k's and an auto makes more sense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuey View Post
    I really wanted a French auto around 2008-2009 for my recently licensed daughter (and so did she, being a bit of a Francophile and having visited France) but couldn't because of this issue. She's fine driving a manual, but will be doing many city k's and an auto makes more sense.
    There should be plenty around iwth the AM6 gearbox from that era
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    Wreckers we'll always see the worst of the worst
    so many AL4 produced so little problems

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    I will defend good design, not bad rebuilders

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    406s are good to drive. Thats not in question. But no more so than my ex wifes Early Mitubishi Magna, or probably other cars from the same era. Sorry. With problems such as AL4 auto gearbox, electrical connectors, poor quality plastic etc, they're not up to scratch. My old 1988 Corolla may not be very exiting to drive but it's better built, with better quality electric, plastic interior and out bits etc.

    406s could've been a really great car - if only they have built them properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Chisholm View Post
    406s are good to drive. Thats not in question. But no more so than my ex wifes Early Mitubishi Magna, or probably other cars from the same era. Sorry. With problems such as AL4 auto gearbox, electrical connectors, poor quality plastic etc, they're not up to scratch. My old 1988 Corolla may not be very exiting to drive but it's better built, with better quality electric, plastic interior and out bits etc.

    406s could've been a really great car - if only they have built them properly.
    There's something I disagree with. My 406 has done 334000 kms. It's dash and plastics are in perfect condition, and I've never experienced and electrical problem. The build quality on 406's is very good. (In my opinion it was the last well built Peugeot, I know I have a lot of people who agree with this). The only downside of the 406 is what this thread is about, the al4.

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