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    I'd just like to know if 504 TI's were ever sold here and if so if they came with Auto A/C and Power Steering?

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    Yes and yes. The Auto with A/C was branded LTi (also had a sunroof).
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    Thanks, thats good news.

    Reason I ask is that my son really likes 504's so I'm thinking of perhaps getting one.

    My wife wants to be able to drive the car, so it has to be automatic.

    My daughter will love the sunroof.

    A/C will keep everybody happy

    Injection will give it a bit more oomph!

    Now how rare are they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 120L View Post
    I'd just like to know if 504 TI's were ever sold here and if so if they came with Auto A/C and Power Steering?

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    AFAIK
    Yes (TI)
    Yes (LTI)
    No not OEM aircon, dealers fitted aftermarket systems
    No, not OEM but a 505 power steer rack fits the 504 and the hydraulic pumps can be adapted. (I believe you use the 505 cross member)
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    The only minor difficulty with fitting power steering to a 504 with the injected engine is that the alternator is mounted where the pump goes on the later carby 505s. You need to make a custom mount for one or the other (the alternator is the easier option!).
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    ... and you don't really need it. It's rear-wheel drive with a well-designed front-end. It doesn't have heavy steering. These are very nimble cars.
    Of course, power steering makes it much easier to turn the wheel when parking, and stationary, but you shouldn't be doing that anyway. I doubt your wife would find the steering heavy.

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    I've owned 2 manual TIs and an auto LTI, my son also had a TI.
    Great cars, though spare injection parts can be horrendously expensive, and I think drive belts for the injection pump almost impossible to find new. You need specialist tools to tune them, but they hardly ever go out of tune.
    My LTI was I thought as fast as the manual, especially on trips.
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    Why not fit an electric power steering kit
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    504 LTI's did not come with air con by default. The LTI's are auto, unless converted. They came with a sunroof.

    I think the auto is okay, but I much prefer driving the manual.

    All the information above is correct

    There have been a few 504's for sale recently, but not a huge number of autos, or air con. I've only seen one LTI other than mine in the last 3 years.

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    Double post, sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugnut1 View Post
    Great cars, though spare injection parts can be horrendously expensive, and I think drive belts for the injection pump almost impossible to find new.
    Injection pump belts 0808.01 are now available from Peugeot Classic, c/o Bruno Garovo at the Sochaux Museum. Cost is about 180 Euros for export.
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    Thanks to all of you for the replies.

    Now I'll just see what comes up for sale.

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    TI/s were only sold here up to 76 . If A/C is fitted it would be very difficult to fit P/S as the compressor would be mounted under the air cleaner where the alternator would need to be moved to .Someone may know a way of fitting A/C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julian b View Post
    TI/s were only sold here up to 76 . If A/C is fitted it would be very difficult to fit P/S as the compressor would be mounted under the air cleaner where the alternator would need to be moved to .Someone may know a way of fitting A/C.
    You can change the sump and 505GR sump with compressor mount. IIRC you need to lift the battery tray up 20mm or so to clear the pipe work.

    The steer pump and alternator can be fitted on the lower side of the engine. You need a custom bracket, heavily braced. The brace is secured off three tappet cover bolts.

    Careful alignment is necessary and a three sheave crank pulley is need.

    Again from memory, the compressor runs an 1/2 inch V belt off the front sheave, the middle sheave which is 3/8 section drive the water pump and alternator and power steer drives off the rear most sheave.

    It brackets becomes a work of art and needs to built strong or they rattles to death. Definitely best to use the GR sump for aircon mount and drive.
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    Before getting too carried away with how good they were as cars it needs to be recognized that in 1974 the motoring editor David Mackay tested one very thoroughly and eventually found that the vehicle did not come fitted with a coat hook.!
    Besides that massive oversight, the standard Ti that is now rusting away up the paddock was a damn good car that was easy for my wife to drive and park.
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    My dear old Mum didn't like ours. When Dad replaced our '67 drum-braked 404 in about 1985 with a '74 TI, it took awhile before Mum was prepared to drive it. She found the change from column-shift to floor-shift a bit tricky. Eventually she agreed to some practice drives and they went out for a drive in the countryside. After a fair bit of uninterrupted driving and good gear changes, they approached an intersection. But she'd become comfortable driving it and she'd forgotten about the brakes. She nearly stood the car on its nose. She never drove again.

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    Hi Alan,
    No one has mentioned that the LTI (auto with air con) drinks petrol like a V8. You were lucky to get 18mpg in the city. The first thing second or third owners did was put in a manual gearbox which improved the mpg to above 20mpg. Many 504 Ti's have had the injection system fiddled with. One good example is where the atmospheric corrector has been miss matched with the injection pump. With the wrong atmospheric corrector the injection pump will either run too rich or too lean and burn the valves out after 6 to 12 months when running too lean. The sun roofs are a rust trap after nearly 40 years. 604'shad a similar rust problem in the sun roofs unless the car was garaged.

    If you find a nice example take it for a run and warm the motor up. Another big problem was the cooling system couldn't cope with an auto g/box and air con. Again second or third owners put in a bigger radiator.

    Most Ti parts are available over the internet from Europe. You can get an injection gasket kit for around $300.

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    The economy of a TI whether auto or man should be way better than a carby model .I used to get high 30/s mpg when touring in the 70/s ,much better than any similar sized car of that era .

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    Another thing to rememer is that they don't have the "niceities" we've got used to in modern cars. After all, Ti's date back to the seventies when things were more "spartan". Be careful what you wish for!

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    I never got good economy out of any of my Tis.
    I found the 505 GR was the best for economy by far.

    Quote Originally Posted by julian b View Post
    The economy of a TI whether auto or man should be way better than a carby model .I used to get high 30/s mpg when touring in the 70/s ,much better than any similar sized car of that era .

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    I never got good economy out of any of my Tis.
    I found the 505 GR was the best for economy by far.
    But not the torque...

    I am overwhelmed by the economy and the performance of Kugelfischer Ti engine in my 505GR (obviously not standard). It has A/C and power steering, put in by the previous owner. The torque is truely amazing (as BigRR will atest) the acceleration and performance would shame any modern standard Peugeot!
    On a recent planned trip to Cameron Corner (the one that Nev. S. was to lead but was aborted for a number of reasons) the run to Grenfell NSW from Sydney resulted in 10.1L/100kms. And this was despite the Altitude Corrector not being optimised (don't ask as it's a long story).
    Bearing in mind that the Ti is a (50 year old design) dated mechanical injection system, I think that is amazing economy.
    When we got the car it was headed for the scrap heap as it was considered unworthy of being restored.


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    Thanks for the further insights.

    Its very valuable to hear the other side of the story.

    I really appreciate all the feedback.

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    I used to get 8.5 to 9 out of my GRs, this was sitting on 110 and above.

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    But not the torque...

    I am overwhelmed by the economy and the performance of Kugelfischer Ti engine in my 505GR (obviously not standard). It has A/C and power steering, put in by the previous owner. The torque is truely amazing (as BigRR will atest) the acceleration and performance would shame any modern standard Peugeot!
    On a recent planned trip to Cameron Corner (the one that Nev. S. was to lead but was aborted for a number of reasons) the run to Grenfell NSW from Sydney resulted in 10.1L/100kms. And this was despite the Altitude Corrector not being optimised (don't ask as it's a long story).
    Bearing in mind that the Ti is a (50 year old design) dated mechanical injection system, I think that is amazing economy.
    When we got the car it was headed for the scrap heap as it was considered unworthy of being restored.


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    Ti: 20mpg in city - 28 on trips. (Driven not nursed)
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    Quote Originally Posted by con View Post
    But not the torque...

    I am overwhelmed by the economy and the performance of Kugelfischer Ti engine in my 505GR (obviously not standard). It has A/C and power steering, put in by the previous owner.


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    Hi Con. I'd like to see some pictures of your 505 TI if you could.



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