406d9st
  • Register
  • Help
Page 1 of 2 12 Last
Results 1 to 25 of 26

Thread: 406d9st

  1. #1
    Member Duffster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    South East Melbourne (Keysborough)
    Posts
    45

    Default 406d9st

    Better half had her Corolla written off by an inebriated wank so she needs wheels.
    I am looking at a 406 D 9 ST. Asking $5000 for it. Showing 74284 km on the odometer.
    Does that sound a fair price. 6 months reg and it will be subject to a RWC.
    Cheers
    John.
    ps Only seen photos yet but looks original and the seller sounds OK.
    only thing is the low k's ??

    Advertisement
    Last edited by Duffster; 12th August 2014 at 02:06 PM.

  2. #2
    1000+ Posts Peter C's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    SWOTR
    Posts
    3,660

    Default

    Despite the low Ks, the car is getting on a bit. I bought a 2001 D9 manual a while back with 102,000km on the clock for less than that with 12 months rego and a RWC.

    Your 406 might end up being a real gem. On the other hand at 74,000km it hasn't had sustained road use and faults might start showing up like they did with mine once I started driving it a lot. The electrical connectors aren't very good as I found out when the airbag lights kept on coming on and the speedo needle sometimes just went to zero. Front suspension is a bit flimsy so if you hit a kerb a bit too hard you might damage a bush etc. Some gears can become difficult to engage due to either some sort of gear box problem or the cables stretching or becoming damaged. If both cablkes need replacing they're over $200 each. So, if it's a manual check gear selection very carefully.

    Also, is the timing belt due for replacement? If so, then that'll cost about $1K - incuding replacement of water pump while they're at it.

    It might be low ks and a good buy but I reckon $5K is too much.

  3. #3
    Member Duffster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    South East Melbourne (Keysborough)
    Posts
    45

    Default

    Thanks Peter, it is auto, but I'd like to know why the k's are so low.Are the timing belts really difficult?
    I had a 164 Alfa before and did the belts on that which where difficult but doable. Maybe it would be
    better going for a Corolla or the like.

  4. #4
    1000+ Posts cav91's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Romsey, VIC
    Posts
    2,337

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Duffster View Post
    Maybe it would be
    better going for a Corolla or the like.
    No way 406's are absolutely fantastic cars!



    Via the aussiefrogs App
    2011 Renault Koleos manual petrol, yes it's boring, but not as boring as:
    2017 Renault Koleos auto

  5. #5
    Fellow Frogger!
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    CANBERRA
    Posts
    400

    Default

    406stdt are great cars, we have one, but there are issues to watch including the injection pumps (if not a hdi) and the autos. Lower kms helps but time is not your friend. All up I'd agree with Peter, 5 grand is a lit for a 2001 car of any type?

    Cheers

    Jim

  6. #6
    1000+ Posts Peter C's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    SWOTR
    Posts
    3,660

    Default

    Don't get me wrong, I love my 406 - handling, ride and performance, but they have there weaknesses. I'd also have areally good look through the service records, if they're available.

    Low Ks could mean that it was driven to and from the shops every day which would mean that it never warmed up properly hence greater chance of engine wear etc.

  7. #7
    Member Duffster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    South East Melbourne (Keysborough)
    Posts
    45

    Default

    If only the R20 was an auto my problems would be solved. Is there anyone who is Pug wise I could get to check it out. (Not RACV)
    The vehicle is in Fitzroy or Oakleigh.

  8. #8
    1000+ Posts
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Armidale
    Posts
    2,490

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by pug303 View Post
    406stdt are great cars, we have one, but there are issues to watch including the injection pumps (if not a hdi) and the autos. Lower kms helps but time is not your friend. All up I'd agree with Peter, 5 grand is a lit for a 2001 car of any type?

    Cheers

    Jim
    I don't think the OP is talking about a diesel

  9. #9
    Fellow Frogger! trihardthlete's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    434

    Default

    Absolute gem of a car. On my second one with no regrets

    Via the aussiefrogs App

  10. #10
    Member Duffster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    South East Melbourne (Keysborough)
    Posts
    45

    Default

    I don't think the OP is talking about a diesel

    Not diesel...4 cyl petrol (says the ad)

  11. #11
    Fellow Frogger!
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Tasmania, Australia
    Posts
    218

    Default

    [QUOTE=Duffster;1279031]Better half had her Corolla written off by an inebriated wank so she needs wheels.
    I am looking at a 406 D 9 ST. Asking $5000 for it. Showing 74284 km on the odometer.

    The latter D9's (EW10jr 1997cc) engine powered vehicles are far more fuel efficient than the ealier (XU10j4r 1998cc) type,although have diff. problems.
    Forget the klm's and try to determine the type of klm's travelled
    If it has low city klm's and been flogged i'd be more inclined to go for a higher mileage country car with easy klm's hence a decent auto box etc.
    The later D9's are a great car worth spending a few dollars on to get into shape
    Alain

  12. #12
    1000+ Posts
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    HOBART
    Posts
    1,265

    Default 406d9st

    The early 2000s 406s had some minor issues before they went to multiplex wiring I'm told. This applies to light and other steering column instruments.

    I'm not a diesel owner, though I do like a friend's HDI.

    From what I've heard the turbo diesel models (early pre HDI) are preferably avoided unless you know how to properly look after them. The engines are quite a bit more expensive (read difficult) to overhaul than the HDI.

    Peter Chisholm's comments about low mileage cars at this age should be taken into account, but that applies to any older car with low mileage. Just be prepared for little things that might need replacing or fixing as a result of under use.

    For instance I have a 1998 SV with 153,000 km on the clock, which goes really well. I've had to recently replace the front brake hoses (they're not expensive if you buy through EBay), and the break master cylinder.

    My wife's 1999 D8 406ST has about 157,000 km on the clock, and it's been very reliable. The only recent replacement is the light/indicator switch, also a common replacement though the first in the 4 we've owned.

    One of the most critical maintenance routines is keeping the transmission fluid cleaned, using the proper fluid and replacing it regularly. A friend said to me that he prefers to drain the old fluid, refill and drive the car around the block to get the remaining old fluid mixed with the new, and then change it again. This way the box has the cleanest fluid possible without dropping the pan, which is more expensive. A replacement or refurbished transmission is in the region of $3,000 + fitting, so all precautions to prevent this are worth taking. My first 406 was recently scrapped at 300,000 km due to a dead auto, yet I sold it at 160,000 km due to my fears it mightn't last a great deal longer. This one lasted a lot longer than most 406 autos.
    Last edited by pugnut1; 14th January 2015 at 03:37 PM.
    1998 Peugeot 406 D8SV Manual
    1999 Peugeot 406 D8ST Auto
    2002 Peugeot 406 D9SV Manual
    1994 Peuegot 306 N3 Cabriolet Manual
    1994 Peugeot 306 XR N3 Hatch
    1995 Peugeot 505 GTI executive
    1976 Peugeot 504 Sedan - Now sold

    Over 60 Pugs in my time
    Gerry Mullock

  13. #13
    Fellow Frogger!
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    379

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by pugnut1 View Post
    The early 2000s 406s had some minor issues before they went toil multiplex wiring I'm told. This applies to light and other steering column instruments.
    I'm not a diesel owner, though I do like a friend' HDI.
    From what I've heard the turbo diesel models (early pre HDI) are preferably avoided unless you know how to properly look after them.
    I had the opposite recommendation from my mechanic, sticking to the early 2000/2001 HDi was his pick, avoiding the fully multiplexed wiring of the later models. The speedo dropping out is common to both types and needs an auto electrician to replace the speed sensor on top of the gearbox.

    HDi manuals are doing 400,000km and still going strong, and its still hard to find many cars that achieve its low CO2 emissions and fuel consumption more than 10 years on!
    406 HDi

  14. #14
    1000+ Posts Peter C's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    SWOTR
    Posts
    3,660

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by hypermiler View Post
    I had the opposite recommendation from my mechanic, sticking to the early 2000/2001 HDi was his pick, avoiding the fully multiplexed wiring of the later models. The speedo dropping out is common to both types and needs an auto electrician to replace the speed sensor on top of the gearbox.

    HDi manuals are doing 400,000km and still going strong, and its still hard to find many cars that achieve its low CO2 emissions and fuel consumption more than 10 years on!
    Speedos dropping out can be the speed sendor on top on the hear box or electronic control unit or (as in my case) the wiring. The later control unit is different to the earlier one and is , I think, about $1000.

  15. #15
    1000+ Posts
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    HOBART
    Posts
    1,265

    Default

    Ouch. The speed control unit in my D8 cost $155.00 and was easy to refit. Hardly worth pulling it apart to resolder the dry joints. No idea what the cost of a speed sensor is though - the one attached to the gearbox.
    1998 Peugeot 406 D8SV Manual
    1999 Peugeot 406 D8ST Auto
    2002 Peugeot 406 D9SV Manual
    1994 Peuegot 306 N3 Cabriolet Manual
    1994 Peugeot 306 XR N3 Hatch
    1995 Peugeot 505 GTI executive
    1976 Peugeot 504 Sedan - Now sold

    Over 60 Pugs in my time
    Gerry Mullock

  16. #16
    Fellow Frogger!
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Canberra
    Posts
    123

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by hypermiler View Post
    The speedo dropping out is common to both types and needs an auto electrician to replace the speed sensor on top of the gearbox.
    I'm no auto electrician, but apart from being a bit (a lot!) cramped it was a pretty simple job to change the sender on my D9 V6 coupe. I learned - after completing a gearbox oil change - that this job is an oil out job as it drains from the hole in the top of the 'box. Oh well.

    On the D8 it usually seems to be a failing of a digitiser box (Bitron) behind the glovebox which you may be able to source from eBay Europe for under $100.
    '92 BX 16Valve (Bathurst 12 Hr edition)
    '93 BX 16Valve (Bathurst 12 Hr edition)
    '01 406 Coupe 3.0L V6 Manual

  17. #17
    Member Duffster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    South East Melbourne (Keysborough)
    Posts
    45

    Default

    Got cold feet and haven't gone any further with the 406.

  18. #18
    Fellow Frogger!
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    379

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by LeRob View Post
    I'm no auto electrician, but apart from being a bit (a lot!) cramped it was a pretty simple job to change the sender on my D9 V6 coupe. I learned - after completing a gearbox oil change - that this job is an oil out job as it drains from the hole in the top of the 'box. Oh well.

    On the D8 it usually seems to be a failing of a digitiser box (Bitron) behind the glovebox which you may be able to source from eBay Europe for under $100.
    I've tried to find the sensor on the HDi engine but it's way too cramped back there for me or my mates to see it, along with leaking a bit of oil when replacing it there seem to be several variants of the part so I'm going to leave this one for the professionals (my usual specialist mechanic won't even try it!)
    406 HDi

  19. #19
    Fellow Frogger! Balki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Sheffield/Tasmania
    Posts
    631

    Default

    D9 406 arr bloody fantastic cars have 2 of them perform faultlessly


    Via the aussiefrogs App
    2016 Cactus
    2003 Range rover l322
    1974 D special
    1971 D special
    1992 CX TGE Safari
    1961 ID19
    1972 DS21 Safari
    1965 Renault R4
    1923 Citroen B2
    1927 B14
    Massey ferguson 550

  20. #20
    Fellow Frogger! acf321's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    273

    Default

    get one ... they are brilliant. Like anything look after it and don't abuse it and it'll love you back. Buy a manual!

  21. #21
    Tadpole
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Razorback, NSW
    Posts
    13

    Default

    I'm having speedo drop to zero on my D9 HDI manual. One non-specialist mechanic went as far as ordering a new speed sensor for the gearbox only to discover the gearbox doesn't have one, only a blanking plate where they were expecting to fit it! This is a replacement gearbox but most of the time something else in the car is happily reporting the speed, it only drops out occasionally.

    Another thread suggested dodgy joints somewhere (where?), but having just had the entire main fuse box replaced for another issue I'm keen to try simple fixes before looking at expensive ones.

    Appreciate any ideas you may have. Thanks, Tim.

    2002 406 D9 HDi 2.0 7-seat 5-sp wagon

  22. #22
    1000+ Posts Peter C's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    SWOTR
    Posts
    3,660

    Default

    I have no idea where the pickup is on a HDi.

    I think the dodgy joints that might need re-soldering you refer to in another thread are the joints inside the Bitron box which is one of the two boxes located just behind the glovebox on a D8.

    Assuming your D9 HDi has the same setup as my 2001 406 2L 4 cyl petrol, I think you'll find that there is only one box in that location and it costs about $1k to replace. At that price, I'd think twice about pulling it apart to try and resolder it. Try taking out the boxes connector and clean the contacts.

  23. #23
    1000+ Posts 504-504-504's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Far North Queensland
    Posts
    1,494

    Default

    Some diesel engine vehicles have a signal pick up for their tacho on the alternator.
    Paul.

  24. #24
    Tadpole
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Razorback, NSW
    Posts
    13

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Chisholm View Post
    Try taking out the boxes connector and clean the contacts.
    Great, will give this a go and cross fingers. Cheers.

    2002 406 D9 HDi 2.0 7-seat 5-sp wagon

  25. #25
    Tadpole
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Razorback, NSW
    Posts
    13

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by 504-504-504 View Post
    Some diesel engine vehicles have a signal pick up for their tacho on the alternator.
    Paul.
    Thanks Paul, will have a look there too.

    2002 406 D9 HDi 2.0 7-seat 5-sp wagon

Page 1 of 2 12 Last

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •