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    Default 244hp 405 mi16

    Now THAT got your attention. ..

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    Check out this item I found on eBay: http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...BAY-AU&alt=web

    He's also a mechanic - so it must be legit. ..


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    ....it goes extremely well and if you google these cars you will see they redline at 7200 revs
    this one has around 180kw and you can feel it....

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    Looks like I'll have to push my 230hp one over a cliff & buy this one. All that power from a clever little chip!
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    "One owner" *cough cough* except the guy who owned it before him (which he mentions in the serial killer death scrawl of a description).

    I try to avoid buying anything from someone who can't count, spell, or use punctuation.
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    How are people getting 240bhp from the Mi16?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clayts View Post
    How are people getting 240bhp from the Mi16?
    Chip!!!!!!

    I have sent him a message asking him to confirm that it has all those killer whats and that it appears to be a 1.9 not 2 litre as stated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clayts View Post
    How are people getting 240bhp from the Mi16?
    Not with just a chip I can assure you. But with special valves, pistons, camshafts, headwork, bigger injectors, better extractors, aftermarket programmable ecu, quad throttle bodies, 240Hp at the flywheel is quite achievable. Around $10K+. It might not be the ideal road car though. Of course you could turbo it, but that isn't going to be done for nothing either. I think Peugeot Motorsport were claiming 300Hp in the 2L Supertourers, but these were rebuilt every 1200Klm.

    If it was that easy with just a chip and exhaust, a lot of people would be out of business.

    I have an old BMW 2L Super Tourer motor that was in my 2002. It would rev past 9000, and made 276Hp, the only trouble being that without a very close ratio gearbox it was very hard to drive even on the track as it doubled its Hp between 6 and 8000. A bit like a turbo kicking in, or probably more like powerband on a two stroke bike. If you were only limited to 4000 rpm, a stock Corolla would blow you off.

    Maybe his car has an optimistic 180Hp, not KW with the chip. If it has an original 276 000 Klm on the motor chances are it has seen its best days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alan moore View Post
    Not with just a chip I can assure you. But with special valves, pistons, camshafts, headwork, bigger injectors, better extractors, aftermarket programmable ecu, quad throttle bodies, 240Hp at the flywheel is quite achievable. Around $10K+. It might not be the ideal road car though. Of course you could turbo it, but that isn't going to be done for nothing either. I think Peugeot Motorsport were claiming 300Hp in the 2L Supertourers, but these were rebuilt every 1200Klm.

    If it was that easy with just a chip and exhaust, a lot of people would be out of business.

    I have an old BMW 2L Super Tourer motor that was in my 2002. It would rev past 9000, and made 276Hp, the only trouble being that without a very close ratio gearbox it was very hard to drive even on the track as it doubled its Hp between 6 and 8000. A bit like a turbo kicking in, or probably more like powerband on a two stroke bike. If you were only limited to 4000 rpm, a stock Corolla would blow you off.

    Maybe his car has an optimistic 180Hp, not KW with the chip. If it has an original 276 000 Klm on the motor chances are it has seen its best days.
    My Mi16 engine was rebuilt only 10,000 kms ago, has quad throttle bodies, autronic ECU tuned to 98RON, adjustable cam timing gears, upgraded inlet manifold etc and can still only push out MAX around 160 bhp at the flywheel.
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    As well as what Alan has mentioned you'll need more compression than standard. The Aust spec Mi's had 9.7:1 and only made around 145-148hp IIRC. Mine has 11.6:1.
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    I originally questioned the seller by saying that 180kw is rs 250 territory. He's now saying that it was a misprint but at 180hp that's a significant increase on a stock inlet manifold from the original 156hp(from memory) ...?

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    Didn't the Aust cars make around 145-148hp? Think of it this way- why would Peugeot leave 30-35 hp on the table with the car capable of 800kms/tank if it was as simple as a retuned chip/ecu?

    Sorry but the seller is deluded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clayts View Post
    My Mi16 engine was rebuilt only 10,000 kms ago, has quad throttle bodies, autronic ECU tuned to 98RON, adjustable cam timing gears, upgraded inlet manifold etc and can still only push out MAX around 160 bhp at the flywheel.
    You should cut your wrists. This is what an Mi16 of 240+ hp sounds like:

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    The basic rule is, a 2L 16V NA engine needs to spin at 8000 rpm to make 240hp, +/- volumetric efficiency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayts View Post
    How are people getting 240bhp from the Mi16?
    The carbon fibre strip has got to be worth 30bhp surely

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    Lol, makes for entertaining reading. Unsure if you guys have noticed but he has updated the info in big blue writing to 180hp.

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