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    205gti foglights

    Oh Great One,

    Why is it so, that the foglights on my rampaging lion (its an 88 205gti) only work during highbeam? Doesnt this defeat the purpose? There must be a method to this madness.

    Also, I need to replace the bulb in one of the foglights. It seems that the whole light mechanism needs to be replaced. Can I purchase this at the local servo or Krap-Mart? Oh great One, please shed some light on my predicament and shower me with your knowledge

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    The fog lights only work on high-beam because they are driving lights instead.
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    It's actually illegal to drive around with spot lights on the city. That's why they're wired up from high beam. I know many young lads like to drive around with them on, specially around dusk. The Police at Port Stephens are very strict, and will fine you on the spot. They say ignorance is no excuse.

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    Fog lights are wired up to the parking lights - as anything brighter such as low beams and especially high beams will reflect in fog, making it even harder to see and will annoy everyone. Fog lights are designed specifically to cut through fog.

    If they only come on with highbeams they are driving lights, and are designed for driving in the country etc where highbeams might not be adequte.
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    Ahhh! So they arent "foglights" after all (certainly fooled me mallet )... hmmm. Besides, it would be silly to have the highbeams on during fog.

    Yes, I am quite familiar with the debate about foglight usage in built up areas. I guess you know that there has been a well publicised debate in several of our broadsheets - some just dont get it, I suppose... guess they think it makes their riceracers look faster and meaner! roll_lau They should stick to go-fast stickers and milo tin exhausts - its probably safer, but just as annoying... hehehe

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    i have mine on in day or night but mine are fog lights on the 306
    i have always in all my cars either had the little fog lights on or my parkers/headlights on when driving as more of a safety feature more than anything else
    i don't have them on for that ricer look
    as far as i knew i thought you were allowed to drive around with lights on in daytime so long as you didn't have them on high beam for safety
    i never realised that the 205's had theirs as driving lights
    my MI16 i had before this car had them as fog lights as well
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    Under NSW law, it is illegal to use Foglights in a built up area. In Victoria, you can. My mum found this out the hard way on a recent trip to Sydney, but they saw she had Victorian plates, laughed and sent her on her way...

    Vicroads did release a "Recomendation" a while back suggesting that fog lights only be used in fog, but i dont think anyone cared
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    Fog lights and high beams - because froggies like to be different !!

    Try this - Renault 20 shop manual, the real one.

    "Fog lamps should be able to be switched on when the side and tail lights are on (fog), and when the headlight main beams are on (twisting roads). They should be off when the headlights are on dipped beam"

    Yeah, it annoyed me too. So I disconnected the switch feed at the high beam connection on the headlamp switch and moved it to the parkers. Problem solved. Also fitted a relay to move the heavy currents away from the piddly lamp switch - relays for the headlights are next.

    The main difference between fog lamps and driving lamps is that fogs have a trapezoid pattern (precise top cut off and wide spread) and driving lamps have a round spot pattern.

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    on my 205 when one presses the fog light switch and the lights are on low beam the rear fog light comes on and when I put high beam on the rear fog light goes off and the fronts go off! Is this normal, i will install a second fog light switch soon to operate them independently !
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    yeah... errr, ummm just makes me wonder why the suits at Peugeot decided on such a thing (why only on the 205 and not on the 405 etc, etc?). When safety comes into play, wouldnt it be more useful if those lights were actually foglights? I guess they thought that it would give the odd stray goat or cow, and oncoming "driving Miss Daisy" types ample warning that a 205gti was tearing up the unsealed road (at warp speed) ahead... hehehe ,

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    errr... now this is getting kind of confusing. PUGSY, if that is what occurs, it seems that your front "foglights" are in fact REAL foglights ... must be a safety mechanism in place. In my 205, when the rear foglight button is depressed while in low beam, it is on, then once I switch the highbeams on (thats when the front "foglights" errr, extra driving lights, rather, are on) the rear foglight turns off... ummm, do you comprehend or have I only confused myself?waaa!!! whip Someone get me a beer,

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    I think the whole driving around in traffic with your "driving" lights on with low beam is a pain in the neck.....

    they don't look "cool", they don't aid visibility at all in the city.

    Half the morons on the road have them aimed straight at your rear window or off into the night sky somewhere, which sucks in a car like a 205 that has a low rear window and most of them are brighter than their low beams.....

    I think they are dangerous, a few times i've had to aim my mirrors away from what is behind me due to blinding lights.....
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    I agree with the last statement, but I am sure that Driving Lights are designed only to work with HighBeams, and Fog Lights work their best (in the fog) on parking lights or lowbeams (as high beams reflect in fog).

    so either you have driving lights or Peugeot stuffed up the wiring on these things
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    My 205, a 1987 also has the 'driving or fog lights' linked to high beam only. I have been told that this is illegal and they will need to be separated out. Does anyone know what the correct ruling is ie is it just that you can't have foglights on full-stop ie doesn't matter whether they're linked to high or low beam or is it that they cannot be linked to low beam? eek!

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    I think it's pretty much as njm has already stated in previous posts.
    Driving lamps are not 'dipped' so should only be used when you can also use high beam.
    Hence Peugeot wiring the driving lamps on 205GTIs in with high beam.

    Foglamps on the other hand, if they are set up correctly, shouldn't dazzle, so it would not matter if you used them with sidelamps or low beam. You could even use them with high beam - but of course, if it was actually foggy, you would not want to be using high beam anyway.

    I personally think the driving lamps on my 205GTI are great - excellent for fast trips on quiet unlit roads. I wish my 306GTI had driving lamps instead of the fogs.

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    Yeah, come to think of it, the clarity of these "foglamps" errr "driving lamps" along with highbeams blazing, are brilliant. I hang out to tear the bitumen on any given lonely bendy road, just like Timmo and Ari, but this opportunity doesnt come as often as I like. Foglamps, would have been more useful, for me, specially with mebourne's inclement weather - morning mist and fog at night seem to be the order of the day, of late. Still, it makes me wonder why driving lamps were fitted only on the 205... hmmm
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    My fog/driving lights don't seem to add to the overall light given - whereas on my mums 306 the driving lights light up the sides of the road and they come on with the parker/side lights. The bulbs that were in the headlights on my 205 were crappy 60w jobs so i replaced them with 100w blue vision and boy do they light the road up, I haven't checked what is in the fog/driving lights but i think they would be low watt jobbies. Once i got the switch i might change the globes to give better vison on those dark country road trips. In the manual they refer to them as fog lights..mmmm.. too confusing!
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    pugsy:
    ... In the manual they refer to them as fog lights..mmmm.. too confusing!
    Yeah, i hear ya ... maybe the translation was misinterpreted! , from French to Engrish... hehehe. Well, in the near future, I intend to add "true" foglamps on the car, ones that are the same size and shape as the "driving lamps". They will be placed along side them. I have seen photos of other 205gtis in Europe with the same conversion and look insane - they give the 205 an, even more purposeful look. Who says you cant have the best of both worlds? . pugsy, you say u replaced the globes in the "driving lamps". Does the whole light mechanism have to be replaced( bulb and wires)? Like, is it a throw-away part?
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    I destroyed a front spotlight when I hit a wallaby on my way to canberra this year... You can't get original replacements but I found a nice set of Cibie spots that fit almost perfectly. I can't get them to point high enough but they spread on the road really well and give me about 100 metres of extra vision. I'll try and find the model number. I got them from Autobarn in Chatswood. If any one is looking for a single 205 front spotlight, I've got one here....let me know. cheers!
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    Just took my spare gti spotlight apart, it takes an h3 globe. All you need to do is take the two screws from either side of the glass, pull the unit out of the mounting bracket. There is a clip holding the globe in the rear of the light unit. I'm not sure if you have the same brand spotlights as me. (Mine are SIEM)
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    yeah, the reason why i initially asked the question about that "driving lamp" globe is that i had some trouble prying the globe out - i thought that maybe it and the light mechanism was a throw-away part. Thank you, also for your trouble wink - i will source that globe.

    How much r u asking for your spare "driving lamp"? You never know when a marsupial wants to play road hockey

    Oh, one other thing, yesterday morning (on the drive to work), i was booting my gti around corners (read: every chance i get!). Got to the carpark, and well, i glanced at my baby upon leaving it, to my (shock) horror, its DRIVER'S SIDE HEADLIGHT LENSE was missing!!!?! eek! . I guess it mustve worked its way loose from all that momentum... hehehe. Because if this, my baby is now unroadworthy disappro .

    What i wanted to know is if you have a "spare" DRIVERS SIDE HEADLIGHT LENSE". Yes, i have querried various wreckers and Peugeot dealers and well frankly, it seems you cannot purchase the lense, on its own - you need to purchase the whole headlight unit (new: $150; second hand: 133 bucks). So if you (or anyone else) can offer any leads, my baby's frown can be turned into a smile
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    just replaced the globes as mentioned, I have people reccomend I put a clear plastic coating over my headlights/driving (fog) lights to protect them from stones cracking them as they are not cheap to replace, something else to add to the "to do" list! Hey pugjet got any pics or sites you can refer to me about those spotlights you are talking about!
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    Oh, goody! PUGSY, good to read that youve completed one of the things on your "to do list" wink ... my list is as long as the listings of "Smith" in the phone directory . Did you also install the switch?

    Yeah, great idea with that coating thingamabob, but the lenses tend to be quite indestructible as is, unless furry moving objects want to play kiss chasy with the front of your car mallet .

    I surfed several sights to locate pix of 205gtis with the aforesaid foglights... came up with nill! The pix i viewed were from euro car mags, specially the old Performace Car mag. The May '98 mag contained several gti articles, one of which rated our beloved 205gti second overall, b!tch slapping the likes of the legendary r5 turbo, s2 vdub golf gti, civic type-r and errr, (this car makes me wet) 306 gti6 (the s1 clio williams came first, just... hehehe)... also contained a discussion on the ultimate hothatch - the 306 maxi (i should scan them)...

    Eniwees, the foglamps, again are the same size and shape of the driving lamps and sit along side them, just below each corner of the number plate. It utilises the stock front end, and clamps are used to keep them intact... looks a treat.

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    no switch yet, the cheques in the mail so hopefully next week mmm i should stop spending and start saving, oh well... when the switch is in and hooked i'll let ya know how it went. yeah my list is pretty long.........
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    As far as I know the 205GTi has a pair of driving lights at the front that can be switched on when high beam is on. (switch on steering column)

    There is a single rear fog lamp - with a matching dumby lense on the other side to make the car not look lop-sided. (switch on center console)

    well that's how is it in mine and it doesn't worry me. here in queensland there is rarely any need for foglights, but a rural trip in the evening benefits from extra visibility of the brighter driving lamps.

    not like you need highbeam or driving lamps around town, but if you leave the driving lamps on there is no way anyone will miss the point if you flash em ya highbeams wink

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