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    thanks for those points - the owner is convinced that the wet floor is a leak due to the drainage being blocked under that valance panel.
    Why don't i deserve such a car - I work hard to waste my money on silly old French cars just like the rest of you!
    Seriously - I have driven 3 of them now and they are a really honest drivers car - I was so surprised. One of them had a 2L 504 motor & it really was torquey. The second one was definitely a 1.6 and this one says that it is a 1796 on the rego papers - but how do I tell the engine number is 5566265x? I notice that the intake manifold is a different shape to the 1.6 I saw but the radiator is the that same small one. Ithink I am going to buy it

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    Sorry, I used to have all the engine numbers.. check Dave McBean's website, that info might be there.

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    If the engine has the 4 bolt inlet manifold, the sump that hangs down a little lower, a carby with a 27mm venturi, and it feels really torquey, then it's most likely a 1796cc engine.

    So much is interchangeable between the 1618cc, 1796cc and 1971cc, that unless you actually measure the bore and stroke, you can't say for sure what size it is. In theory the engine number should tell you what it is (atleast what it was originally), and its likely to still be that size, but you never know, it could be a 1618cc or a 1971cc with 1796cc bits on it and a restamped engine number (although it's unlikely).

    The pre-1972 1796cc and 1618cc engines have a better liner sealing arrangement than later engines (including all 1971cc engines). As far as I know all 1976cc and 1618cc engines sold in Australia have the earlier type of sealing. My 404 was South African and had a 1973 1618cc engine and had the later type of sealing (metal shims as opposed to rubber seals). The later engines actually have a different water jacket floor (it's higher and thicker) and thus the outside of the liners are different, and the top of the liners seem to just sit in mid air, rather than having metal all around them.

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    That is a 1618cc engine number, It may have a 1796 cc crankshaft fitted, or maybe as Dave says the engine number may have been restamped. If the inlet manifold has 4 bolts it is a 1796 head,

    Regards, Graham Wallis

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    I had a second look at that 404 today - on closer inspection between Sydney showers I think it has too much rust = there is rust in floorpan & boot. There are lots of little things as well - I don't think it has had enough attention in the last few years. It is a 3 bolt manifold - so a 1600 engine.

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    Following is a reply I posted to the 404 in Melbourne posting. I haven't seen the car, but cars down here tend to be less rusty than their coastal counterparts.

    This one could be less rusty:

    There's one in today's (2/3/02) Canberra Times as well, 1969 model, a fair bit more than $250..but is apparently in good nick.
    Contact phone is listed as 02 6248 0308 price is listed as $1950


    negotiable [quote]Originally posted by citx:
    <strong>I had a second look at that 404 today - on closer inspection between Sydney showers I think it has too much rust = there is rust in floorpan & boot. There are lots of little things as well - I don't think it has had enough attention in the last few years. It is a 3 bolt manifold - so a 1600 engine.

    Chris</strong><hr></blockquote>
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    [quote]Originally posted by citx:
    <strong>It is a 3 bolt manifold - so a 1600 engine.

    Chris</strong><hr></blockquote>

    Chris,

    Don't bet on it. It's very common to fit the head from the 1600 on the 1800 when the old head gets cracked, because 1800 heads are hard to find. That's what I did to my 1800.

    404s (and 403s and early 504s) are generally rust buckets. Many rusted out within 10 years of being new. Other cars like later 504s, etc, generally (but not always) took 20 years to rust out. Part of the 404s problem is that they have alot of floor coverings (for cars of that period) but leak quite a bit of water into the interior. They also catch alot of mud behind the headlights.

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    Canberra is a good place to search for rust free (relatively) 404s, 504s, etc. Having said that, it's almost impossible to find a 404 that doesn't have rust around the windscreen. I think I've only ever seen about three 404s that don't have atleast some kind of bubbles in the paint around the windscreen.

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    I think it highly unlikely that it will be a 1796 engine if it has a 1600 engine number AND a 1600 head! It sounds like a car due for the scrap heap if it has rust in the boot. Have a good look under the rear bumper. There are virtually no good rust free cars available in Melbourne, any good ones are not for sale! Canberra should be a good source. I have heard of one in Bendigo and could give you details if interested.
    They are a fantastic car, especially with a 2 litre engine and modern tyres and wheels. I lent mine to a friend three days ago and can't wait to get it back!

    Regards, Graham Wallis

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    [quote]Originally posted by GRAHAM WALLIS:
    <strong>I think it highly unlikely that it will be a 1796 engine if it has a 1600 engine number AND a 1600 head! </strong><hr></blockquote>

    Very true. I forgot about it having a 1600 engine number.

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    1984 205 GT twin carb
    1991 205 SI 1.6GTI motor
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