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    I'm new to the forum. I bought a second hand 307 4 months ago. It was running really well but as we didn't know when it was last serviced we took it into our mechanic for that. They diagnosed that the clutch was on the way out (DMF), replaced air and oil filters and basic stuff. We had the clutch replaced last week (SMF) which has worked well, but now the car has air in the fuel line so there is no grunt in the top ranges. Any ideas on why this would suddenly happen and what it may be? As I have just spent a small fortune I would prefer to not be looking at large figures now. Car has 163000 on the clock.

    Car is a 2006 model with the DW10 diesel engine.

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    When was the last time the fuel filter was changed????

    What year model do you have?

    Are the electro pnumatic valves to the EGR and the turbo dump working as they should????

    You seem to have described a fault I have encountered in the past where the valves get full O crap and stop functioning, (no turbo boost, (dump valve open all the time), and therefore no power)....
    There are two that look something like this in the T5 2003 2.0lt HDI.

    Peugeot 307 2.0 L HDI-307_vacuum_electropnumatic_valve_fix_13may2012_small_electro_valve16.jpg

    Note...they are not serviceable, (tried to pull them apart only to find they FALL APART)......
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    Out of interest what did the SMF change cost you to have done?

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    I sourced a clutch kit from European Auto Imports, cheapest I could get in this country. Valeo Clutch kit was $950+. The installation included a couple of other minor items (CV seals). Overall $2100

    By the way, we love the car.
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    I had the lack of power thing to find I had klutzed and knocked the vacuum pipe off the turbo vane driving thinga majig...it's a little fine rubber one 'bout 6mm in size down the front of the engine on the right. Took me a while to locate the free end...

    Gonna put my neck out here and say I'm still on my original c$%^&h plate, at 267,000k but not sure how!
    touch wood!
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    The mechanic looked at it today (as it was working before they serviced it), declared that there was fine metal in the fuel filter housing and requires $7000 of work. Told them we will continue to replace the fuel filter on a regular basis. It hadn't been replaced for 3 years, we think.

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    Well, I suppose that's better than rough metal.
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    Misfuelling?

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    Wow $7k - that's what I paid for my 307 HDi (with a stuffed DMF). I managed to replace my DMF with A SMF at home for $600 odd.
    If you ever need to read any codes let me know - I'm in BNE and have a Peugeot Planet cable that will work on a 307 HDi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bremnem View Post
    The mechanic looked at it today (as it was working before they serviced it), declared that there was fine metal in the fuel filter housing and requires $7000 of work. Told them we will continue to replace the fuel filter on a regular basis. It hadn't been replaced for 3 years, we think.
    "Fine metal" in the fuel housing is not that big of a deal, as it could come from anywhere including the petrol station. (especially if it has not been changed for 3 years (that's a vary long time)).
    I would change the filter every service (most diesel engine manufacturers recommend this now anyway). And make sure the filter housing is correctly drained before removal of the cap and filter because this will remove these fine particles so they don't find there way into the rest of the fuel system when the filter is removed.

    I would be vary careful when dealing with mechanics when is comes to common rail diesel engines, unless they have a good history of repairing them, because to many people have fallen victim to "I think it's the fuel pump" $5000 repair only to find that it hasn't fixed the problem.

    When you say "there is no grunt in the top ranges" do you mean it has normal power up to a certain RPM and then drops off.
    Could be a cheap air filter.
    The suggestions about the vacuum hose for the turbo would be good to investigate to as it could have been disturbed during the clutch replacement.

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    Yes, it no longer has the turbo cutting in. We are looking at finding someone who specialises in French cars. Thanks everyone, I have been feeling like I had wasted my money, I really liked the car when I bought it and the last couple of weeks has been very trying.

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    Electro pnumatic valves..........
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    If you are new to Peugeots, the first thing you must do is scour the Matrix for a mechanic who knows them and their foibles well. Even many Peugeot dealers are cowboys. This forum is an excellent place to find the best, nearest mechanic.
    Never take a Peugeot to a regular 'mechanic'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ae86levin View Post
    If you ever need to read any codes let me know - I'm in BNE and have a Peugeot Planet cable that will work on a 307 HDi.
    My wife has a 2007 307 HDi and I am about to "inherit" a high mileage 2006 1.6L diesel 307 wagon and am contemplating getting an OBDII reader...any recommendations?

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    I've just bought another 307 (this will be my 4th 307). Bought it sight unseen from my previous employers for $1500 Inc 8 months rego. 2007 307 1.6 HDi with a blown turbo and 310'000km. Turbo failure due to oil starvation from blocked in line filter in oil supply banjo bolt. Replaced turbo in friends garage in Albury in an evening. Over last 5000 km have been using ULTIMATE engine flush from Duna Fuels additives to clean all the crap out from inside the engine as I felt fuel consumption on freeways was a little high at 5.5L/100km. Reached a climax last Friday when leaving melbourne for albury oil pressure light started to flash and stay on for longer periods then staying off. Turned around at Cooper St on hume and limped back to my work in boxhill (very carefully)... Once back at work removed oil filter and found it to be chockers with grit (not metal). Worth noting that a major service was completed on this pug as soon as it got to melbourne so oil filter was 5k km old.... fitted new filter and refilled with oil but 2 seconds after startup it was evident that there was insufficient oil pressure still.... drained oil and removed sump. Removed oil pick up and found it to be completely blocked with grit. Cleaned it out (45 mins. ..)and fit back onto car. Refit sump and new oil. Started and quiet as a mouse. Cleaned up cyclone kenny mess around the hoist and left for albury after 4 hour repair... Thanks to the engine flush the fuel consumption is now at 4.8 on hwy. That's at 110 2 POB air con on in middle of day in 40 degree heat. Next on hit list is lower injector seals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by young 4 old pug View Post
    Next on hit list is lower injector seals.
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    Done it a few times already it's not that bad

    Depending on how much soot has restricted inlet intake ports I might pull head off and have it given an acid bath.



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    What is $7K supposed to be buying you? It's not impossible for fine particles to end up in the fuel tank courtesy of the service station. Just change the filter element and ensure the filter housing has been bled as a start. I assume the VIN contains RHR. The loss of power on that engine is commonly due to a crack in the vacuum piping down the front of the engine. Look for a crack in the Y-piece, which may have been damaged when the clutch was changed. With the 6 speed auto, you would find it will hold the low gears to compensate for the loss of boost. In a manual, you would feel a lack of power as you select higher gears. It's easily repairs with a simple y-piece and rubber tube.

    Re the 1.6HDi. They don't tolerate neglected oil changes. You will most likely be finding chunks of carbon all though that engine for ages and risking the turbo. The flushing additive may just mobilise more of the carbon and it can migrate to and block the sintered filter in the turbo banjo bolts and vacuum pump gauze filter. You can't access the oil galleries, but you might clean out the sump, oil cooler and anything else you can get at to give your turbo more of a chance. Even consider disabling the turbo and block the oil supply while you drive it around for a few thousand km and change the oil and filter repeatedly until the carbon particles have gone. Also make sure it has the later style dipstick. If you removed the camshafts (injectors out job!), the bearing surfaces will most likely be scored and they are machined directly into the head. I'm not trying to be overly negative, but neglected 1.6HDi engines can be throwaway items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David S View Post
    What is $7K supposed to be buying you? It's not impossible for fine particles to end up in the fuel tank courtesy of the service station. Just change the filter element and ensure the filter housing has been bled as a start. I assume the VIN contains RHR. The loss of power on that engine is commonly due to a crack in the vacuum piping down the front of the engine. Look for a crack in the Y-piece, which may have been damaged when the clutch was changed. With the 6 speed auto, you would find it will hold the low gears to compensate for the loss of boost. In a manual, you would feel a lack of power as you select higher gears. It's easily repairs with a simple y-piece and rubber tube.

    Re the 1.6HDi. They don't tolerate neglected oil changes. You will most likely be finding chunks of carbon all though that engine for ages and risking the turbo. The flushing additive may just mobilise more of the carbon and it can migrate to and block the sintered filter in the turbo banjo bolts and vacuum pump gauze filter. You can't access the oil galleries, but you might clean out the sump, oil cooler and anything else you can get at to give your turbo more of a chance. Even consider disabling the turbo and block the oil supply while you drive it around for a few thousand km and change the oil and filter repeatedly until the carbon particles have gone. Also make sure it has the later style dipstick. If you removed the camshafts (injectors out job!), the bearing surfaces will most likely be scored and they are machined directly into the head. I'm not trying to be overly negative, but neglected 1.6HDi engines can be throwaway items.
    I know. I've been working on these engines since they came out in oz both at a pug dealer and also where I am now. The Y piece failing is more fatigue than the clutch being done. 90% of these that I have rectified the clutch has never been replaced.

    That's what I have found anyway, especially at the dealer were 95% of all the pugs were diesels driven by farmers/winery operators averaging 60000-140000 km a year.


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    Yes, simple fatigue would be the normal cause of the y-piece failing on that 2.0 HDi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by young 4 old pug View Post
    I know. I've been working on these engines since they came out in oz both at a pug dealer and also where I am now. The Y piece failing is more fatigue than the clutch being done. 90% of these that I have rectified the clutch has never been replaced.

    That's what I have found anyway, especially at the dealer were 95% of all the pugs were diesels driven by farmers/winery operators averaging 60000-140000 km a year.


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    ae86levin, can you enlighten me as to the cables/adapters required, I have done much googling with regards to cables and software. Seems that DiagBox is what everybody is using for software but the cable kits I see on ebay just don't make sense and it seems there is another adaptor required for my 308. Seems also that some Chinese adapters are not quite as compatible as they could be as well ... but how on earth can you tell ?

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    Hey, I am in Brisbane and I could use a diagnosis if you are offering please.

    I have a 307 diesel. About a year ago I noticed a lot of cold visible vapour coming out of the A/C vent. A few days later the air con stopped altogether.

    The place my son serviced the car was just a standard shop with no particular Peugot experience. They said I need a new compressor and the whole dashboard would have to come off and $1,500 to $2,000. Holy hell. An air cond specialist said the same but he did no diagnosis of the unit.

    I have read in a few places here that there can be a lot of needlessly expensive mis-diagnosis of Pug problems and I wanted to get some info before I let 1 to 2 k out the door. I had been looking for that Magic guy at Nerang but that business is no longer operating. Do any of you know a Brisbane specialist who can be trusted?

    Coming up to summer again and time to get this sorted.

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    wow - this is an old thread.....

    I think Magic has gone back to his home country.

    Lots of good French car mechanics in Sydney !!

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