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    My 2012 207 HDi Outdoor Touring has now racked up 40,000 trouble free kilometers and is a very impressive little car.
    My only issue is that fuel economy has got worse, rather than improve, over the 18 months I've had it from new. I know how to drive frugally but no matter how careful I am, I cannot do better than 5.2l/100 and I am averaging 5.34 and I have to drive like Nan to get that. I can't get it below 5 unless I drive on cruise control at 70kph on the open road.
    I have done a couple of 1500k country trips and returned 5.6 - 5.8 on them. Thats sitting on 110kph on cruise control - and as its WA, there are no hills to be considered!
    I suspect a partially blocked fuel filter but my mechanic reckoned "Nah, the filter will be fine".
    I am thinking of buying one anyway.
    Anyone else have any experience the economy from their 1.6HDi??

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    Hi. doubt very much if the fuel filter will be the cause of your diminished fuel economy.

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    Are you being religious about oil changes and injector bolts? I'm just wondering if there may be slight sludging affecting the turbo bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    Are you being religious about oil changes and injector bolts? I'm just wondering if there may be slight sludging affecting the turbo bearings.
    Its a brand new car still under warranty. It's last oil change was at 20000k's as per the service book. Its due for a major service now at 40000. All servicing so far done buy the dealer. But the next one wont be. They overfilled it with oil at the last service. No second chance.



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    This is a 1.6 diesel (DV6 family) you're giving 20K oil changes to?

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    Might be worth checking the air cleaner. It's a pita to get to on the 1.6 (I had to remove my wipers to get to mine on my 307). Mine didn't get changed in 60,000km and three scheduled services...

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    Quote Originally Posted by suzyj View Post
    Might be worth checking the air cleaner. It's a pita to get to on the 1.6 (I had to remove my wipers to get to mine on my 307). Mine didn't get changed in 60,000km and three scheduled services...
    Sounds like a plan! Never thought of that.

    You know, you would expect a little more from your dealers wouldn't you? I would have thought with all their electronic gadgetry they could instantly tell if the engine was not running perfectly. Maybe I'm too naive.



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    I have a 307 with the same engine / trans.
    I had to get the MAF sensor replaced due to an anti-pollution message.
    After the replacement, the fuel economy got worse for about 2 or three fills, then improved to where it used to be. I wonder if the computer had to "learn" the new MAF sensor readings?
    Any way, you might check the MAF sensor - they get oiled up, I have read here. You clean then GENTLY with "carby cleaner" spray - the stuff you use to clean the air intake system.

    Other things you might check - are brakes dragging? warped rotors rubbing on brake pads? handbrake not fully releasing?
    Is the dealer using the right oil? (Peugeot recommend Total Quartz INEO ECS oil. Peugeot Australia can supply this oil to dealers, they order a 5 litre container as a spare part.) If your dealer is using any other oil which they claim is suitable, get them to tell you the EXACT product they are using and follow that up either by asking here, or chase it up with the importer of that oil. It MUST be a low-SAPS oil, or it will slowly clog up the particulate filter in the exhaust. Even genuine Peugeot dealers have used the wrong oil in the past. Most oil companies have a regular "diesel oil" which is absolutely not suitable - it must be a specific oil for modern turbo-diesels with particulate filters. Other suitable oils include Shell Helix Ultra Extra; Penrite Enviro+ 5W30. There are other brands too.

    I get anything from 5.2 to about 6.0 l/100 km. (Actual calculated figures from fill to fill, ignoring the trip computer.) The high figures are when towing a trailer. We live in a hilly, winding road area so we are against it there, though most of our driving is country.)

    My partner has lighter feet and can beat 5.0 in the Pug with little trouble. He is getting under 5.5 from our new Skoda Fabia PETROL wagon. (1.2 tsi and a great little car...)

    It does look to me like you have a fault.

    My car is older and heavier than yours, so yours should be more economical.

    Just for a scientific experiment, try driving at no more than 100 kmh for a tankful. (set the limiter.) I know my fuel consumption goes up over 90 - 95.
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    Injector leakage.

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    Do you take it out every so often and give it stick?
    Variable boost turbos like to be exercised.
    Do you load it up on hills in third and give it stick to redline?

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    Its due for its 40K major service which I will be getting Corrado to do - previously I went back to the dealer for its 20K but was not happy with their work.
    I'll check the air filter first and get Corrado to take a good look at it.
    See how we go from there.

    Its weird because its never missed a beat, and never had any depollution issues. In fact its never done anything except just go and go without issue. I love it for that and that its so versatile.

    Cheers for the advice peoples!



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    Quote Originally Posted by 85Fuego View Post
    Do you take it out every so often and give it stick?
    Variable boost turbos like to be exercised.
    Do you load it up on hills in third and give it stick to redline?
    40k driving like a nanny is not doing it any good - rev it to redline through the gears at least once a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 85Fuego View Post
    40k driving like a nanny is not doing it any good - rev it to redline through the gears at least once a day.
    Must admit it has never been near the red line. I'll give it the occasional bit of schtick The highest I've bothered to rev it is about 3500 in 6th. It was cruising comfortably at 175k's there.



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    Just had it's major service and I mentioned it to Corrado. He said the air filter is the most likely cause and as it gets replaced at this major service it should be all good after replacement. Apparently the diesels like lots of fresh cold air. However he mentioned the tyres are nearly shagged and that doesn't help.
    Well, driving home from his shop I immediately noticed it running smoother with much better throttle response and cruising up the freeway at 100k's the instantaneous use was hovering around 3.5l/100. I haven't seen it that low for over 12 months.
    Reckon that has been the problem.
    Does anyone know if there is a high flow K&N which might boost things a bit?



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    Quote Originally Posted by 85Fuego View Post
    rev it to redline through the gears at least once a day.
    Once per day? Serious?
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    Converter clutch not applying maybe the issue

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    Just had a great few days in my 207HDi. People in Melb will understand how I get 985 km's out of the last three days: Melb to Phillip Island and back on Friday (yes, in 43 C, air all the way youbet with NO noticeable effect); Melb to Fish Creek and back yesterday; and Melb to Walhalla and back today (air on for the whole three days, in fact). At least one adult passenger for most of the time, too, sometimes more.

    Did MOST of it on one tank of fuel, till my nerve cracked on the way home this afternoon when I couldn't think of another suitable servo on the route that I wanted, and I was already dipping down into the reserve reaches of the gauge (though the warning light -- which I only saw for the first time last week -- hadn't yet come on). The disputer had "suggested" it was good for another 130km, but you only had to belt it a bit for it to quickly change its mind.

    The car's now got 49000+kms on the clock, and ...

    • I got 858 km out of Friday morning's tankful (for Friday, Saturday and today's outbound leg), for 4.8L/100 km overall @ an average 68 km/h;
    • It's currently showing 127 km elapsed on the fresh tank, for 4.3L/100 @ 79, which frankly comes as a welcome surprise, and one that I certainly don't expect to sustain; although ...
    • The last 9999 km have returned 4.5L/100 @ 52, including a lot of round-town work. (Oh, yes, and a run up over Hotham before it got too hot to take the dogs, too.)

    I never use cruise, though I know the engine can handle it. I could certainly never be accused of driving to conserve fuel, but I recognize that there's a price to pay for that extra 10 km/h beyond 100. Doesn't keep me from doing it, of course (often where it's appropriate, even!).

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    I now have 266,000ks up on my 2007 1.6 307 hatch. Getting 4.2 or thereabouts most of the time, do 1000ks per week.
    A long time ago I was having the dealership do the services. They did not change the air filter in the first 4.
    The garage I then took it to knew, as the factory rubber seals (yellow?) are diff in colour to the aftermarkets (orange?). I do remember that change made a big difference...Current challenge is broken dipstick which I believe will entail removal of the radiator.
    I did have a larger capacity all metal radiator fabricated from scratch. It was actually cheaper than the OEM replacement.
    After 4 years it now has a seeping leak. Maker wants it back to fix for free. So I may be able to fix two things at once...

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    '07 - would that be non-DPF?

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    Nope, it's an August build, I think, and is DPF'd

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