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    metal clanging noise

    For a while there has been a light metal on metal clanging noise coming from the front left corner of my car. It used to just happen while cornering or going over bumps, however now it just happens any time, including when I slam shut a door. I thought it might have been the wheel trim on my steel wheels vibrating against the rim, but it is still there after taking them off.

    I can only describe it as sounding like two metal coathangers (but heavier and louder) being banged together. I tried wiggling everything in the wheel arch but they don't make noise. Any clues? It's driving me insane!

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    My 505 made a similar noise. It turned out that the front left strut bump stop had rotted away, leaving only the metal ring (from inside the rubber) to jump up and down. This sits inside the front spring so if this is the problem you should be able to compare the front and left bump stops and feel if one is loose, or see if it's rotten.

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    Thanks Dave, that seems to be it.

    When my car is jacked up, the driver's side wheel droops down a bit futher than the passenger side one. Is this related?

    *it is the passenger side where the noise comes from though.
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    Different brand strut inserts? Maybe an insert in the left and original bits in the right?

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    nJm:
    Thanks Dave, that seems to be it.

    When my car is jacked up, the driver's side wheel droops down a bit futher than the passenger side one. Is this related?

    *it is the passenger side where the noise comes from though.
    Sounds like Dave might have identified it. The other common one is the front of the trailing links (is that what they are called on the front end?) where they pass through those large bushes to the front, where they are retained by a large nylock nut. The bushes wear out and the links move back and forth as you brake and accelerate. The sound is more of a "clunk" than a bang, although it probably depends on how much rubber/neoprene material remains, and how hard you stop or accelerate.

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    Well the noise occurs now (didn't before) when sitting at idle (whole car vibrates due to worn engine mounts), when I slam the driver's door shut, and when there is suspension movement.

    Is it easy to fix Dave? I haven't looked it up in the haynes manual yet.
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    The other common one is the front of the trailing links (is that what they are called on the front end?) where they pass through those large bushes to the front, where they are retained by a large nylock nut. The bushes wear out and the links move back and forth as you brake and accelerate.
    Yes. This is a very common issue with older Pugs. One sure4 sign is a pulsating sensation when braking (especially just as you are coming to a complete stop) that many people assume must be warped disks.

    Can you actually isolate the location of the sound clearly if you get someone else to slam the door, Nick?

    (they are called "radius arms", by the way, Aquinian)

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    That is interesting Rod. I haven't noticed it for a while but it does tend to pulsate a bit under braking (only noticable at freeway speeds). As with all strange issues in these cars there are always more than one likely reason . I'll start having a poke around.

    I had all my castor bushes and tierod ends done about 4 months ago. Are they related at all to radius arms?

    As for where the noise is coming from - it sounds like it is coming from near the top of the suspension on the front left, although I'm not certain. I've tried hitting the top of the strut and it won't make the noise .
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    Indeed, it is the 'caster bushes' about which he speaks.

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    Dave's diagnosis is probably right, Nick, but it certainly doesn't hurt to take a look. Its often hard to tell where a sound comes from when you are inside the vehicle (or even oustside for that matter!) A stethoscope, or even a piece of dowling rod or metal pipe that you can stick on the suspected component (with the other end to your ear) can work wonders.

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