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    Hi, first time poster, with a question I hope someone can help with.
    I have a 2005 407 wagon. Because of the outrageous cost, I have recently been getting servicing done by a local pug expert, rather than the dealership. On last service, he noted that front ball joint needs replacing, but he doesn't have the specific tool for that, and he referred me back to dealership to get it replaced.
    The price they quoted seems ridiculous ($400 for the ball joint, $300 for the labour).
    I don't have the money at the moment for that sort of price. Is there other options? I live in ballarat, but would happily travel to Melbourne or Geelong if required.
    My pug servicer (pug garage) said the part should be very cheap to buy ($50-60), and my husband has replaced ball joints on an old land rover, but the specialist tool seems the problem.
    Can anyone direct me towards options other than the dealership? Or am I just stuck with that option and there is nothing else I can do?
    Thanks in advance.

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    Is the joint item 12 in this picture?
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    I bought my Citroen BX/Peugeot 405 ball joint from an ebay seller plus the special tool needed. My local mechanic was then more than happy to do the job for me, total cost all up around $160 inc parts and tool.
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    I think the 407 ball joint must be more specialised than that, I can't think of any ball joint on a 405 which would need a special tool, Was this to seperate the joint on the bottom of the strut?

    Have a look below, seems the problem is to remove the inner race, hence use of a dremel (or equivalent) , these are pretty cheap from places like Bunnings.
    http://www.peugeotforums.com/forums/...acement-13760/
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelr View Post
    I bought my Citroen BX/Peugeot 405 ball joint from an ebay seller plus the special tool needed. My local mechanic was then more than happy to do the job for me, total cost all up around $160 inc parts and tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    I think the 407 ball joint must be more specialised than that, I can't think of any ball joint on a 405 which would need a special tool, Was this to seperate the joint on the bottom of the strut?
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    Hi Graham. No, the splitting was no problem but the ball joint is threaded into the hub casting and driven with a special castellated socket (see picture). Looking at the diagram Seasink posted it would appears that #12 also requires such a tool. It looks like the upper BJ of the 407 is castellated but the lower requires no "special" tools. A complete kit of upper, lower and sway bar link is quite cheap:

    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PEUGEOT-4...item4cfaad7d53


    Anyway, my post was referring to a BX. I just wanted to indicate an alternative method of getting the job done. By the way, I considered doing the job myself but decided it would be safer on a hoist not axle stands.Lucky I did as it took all the strength of several fit mechanics to shift the old joint after 24 years of use.

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    Good A/F post guys, very helpful, shows what a great site this is and the resources available.!

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    The price they quoted seems ridiculous ($400 for the ball joint........


    $400 is probably the whole control arm including the ball joint.
    My car needs the same fix and bugger me if i'll buy a whole arm.

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    You have to part dismantle the double wishbone system used on 407s and Cit C5s. There are some pics of getting off the bottom joint at 407 lower balljoint replacement - Peugeot Forums. The upper joint (No 12) is one of the inset type beloved of PSA and needs the special castellated socket mentioned above to screw it out. There is a pic of the joint at Peugeot 407 Front Upper Ball Joint - note the slots for the tool. Lots of muscle needed, its a nasty job.

    You can get the tools on ebay or specialist tool outlets here in Oz. The common Peugeot tool is shown at T&E Tools Peugeot/Citroen Lower Ball joint Socket but I'd check first if it's the size needed fot the top joint in a 407.

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    When I did the ball joints on my 405, I got a Sealey SX027 ball joint tool. A search suggests Sealey have a second tool (While Stocks Last Sealey SX0271 Lower Ball Joint Socket SET 2pc | eBay) which is either a slightly larger diameter or deeper for the 407 ball joint.

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    I know that gadget- very similar to the one for late 504 / 505 front lower ball joint. I made a 505 one from a lump of structural steel tubing using angle grinder and hacksaw and welded 1 1/2 feet of 1" RHS onto it. Old ball joint removed using 4 lb hammer and cold chisel for the first quarter turn, then the tool. There are diagrams in the workshop manual.

    If someone can compare the 407 balljoint with the 505 ball joint it might lead to finding an existing tool suitable lying around in someone's shed. There are Pug part numbers, but I don't think the 407 is on the same numbering system as the 504 / 505.

    It took me 10 minutes to make mine. If you need a stronger one, a suitable socket can be cut down, but this means killing a $30 + socket. (much easier to post than my monster) and other posts suggest a stronger tool will be needed than ordinary structural (mild) steel.

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    Maybe get the kit from ebay then ask the dealer to install it for the quoted $300?

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    I bought the lower ball joints for $250 the pair (skf) as I wasn't prepared to risk dodgy copies. From what I have read online you don't need the ball joint tool for the lower ball joint. Also the upper ball joint should not wear as much as it would I assume have less load on it.

    That being said if you are doing the lower you may as well do the upper at the same time.

    Happily following the thread as I have been meaning to do my ball joints for ages but don't want to get stuck half way through when the car is my daily driver.

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    Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm possibly more confused now than when I started. Did some ringing around some local European car mechanics and found one that will fit and supply for about half of what the dealer was quoting, so will probably go with that. The 407 has been a great family car, but it seems that everything costs 10 times what parts for other cars do (saving up for windshield wipers now, having been financially drained by brake pads)

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    Hi Naomi

    Seems you are starting to get the hang of affording the running costs of a French car - find a good independent mechanic, and a source of parts other than Peugeot!

    For example, we have a 406 that is currently having alternator problems. Peugeot's price for a new alternator is $1,350!!! I can get one from EAI (European Auto Imports - in both Sydney and Melbourne) for $880 plus freight, which is better, or I could order one from overseas for less again. (For example, seekpart24.com is actually located in Germany, but take payment by PayPal (or Mastercard I think) - they delivered a part to me in country NSW in a week - Peugeot would have taken at least 2 weeks for the identical part).

    In fact have ordered a secondhand one from David Cavanagh in Melbourne (French Connection -Phone (03) 9338 8191) for $165 plus freight. I only ordered it at midday, but they will get it on a courier this afternoon, and we will have the part tomorrow or Friday. The local auto-electrician (not a French specialist, but has a good reputation) has agreed to fit it Friday afternoon, so should be right for the weekend. I didn't get the auto-electrician to source the parts, as he is not familiar with the specialist European part suppliers - he may have found something to fit, but I wasn't confident that it would be 'right'.

    I know it sounds messy, but once you have the numbers of a few reliable suppliers it doesn't take long to organise the parts. Almost certain that EAI would have the brake pads for your 407, and probably the wiper blades, at a significant discount on Peugeot's price. Granted that if your European car mechanic knows about the specialist French parts suppliers, then that's obviously the easiest...

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    For new parts talk to Caravelle Imports or EAI, both in Box Hill.
    Neither of these businesses have Peugeot in their name, must cost them sales.

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    Hi Naomi

    Seems you are starting to get the hang of affording the running costs of a French car - find a good independent mechanic, and a source of parts other than Peugeot!

    For example, we have a 406 that is currently having alternator problems. Peugeot's price for a new alternator is $1,350!!! I can get one from EAI (European Auto Imports - in both Sydney and Melbourne) for $880 plus freight, which is better, or I could order one from overseas for less again. (For example, seekpart24.com is actually located in Germany, but take payment by PayPal (or Mastercard I think) - they delivered a part to me in country NSW in a week - Peugeot would have taken at least 2 weeks for the identical part).

    In fact have ordered a secondhand one from David Cavanagh in Melbourne (French Connection -Phone (03) 9338 8191) for $165 plus freight. I only ordered it at midday, but they will get it on a courier this afternoon, and we will have the part tomorrow or Friday. The local auto-electrician (not a French specialist, but has a good reputation) has agreed to fit it Friday afternoon, so should be right for the weekend. I didn't get the auto-electrician to source the parts, as he is not familiar with the specialist European part suppliers - he may have found something to fit, but I wasn't confident that it would be 'right'.

    I know it sounds messy, but once you have the numbers of a few reliable suppliers it doesn't take long to organise the parts. Almost certain that EAI would have the brake pads for your 407, and probably the wiper blades, at a significant discount on Peugeot's price. Granted that if your European car mechanic knows about the specialist French parts suppliers, then that's obviously the easiest...

    Cheers

    Alec
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    If you think 1350$ is expensive for a new alternator for your Pug, you should try Honda. Or Toyota. My personal opinion after messing around cars for over 20 years is that the official importer is the last person to go to in this country. This is because of a piece of legislation against so called "parallel" imports which basically guarantee if you sign with any of these companies, you have our market at your disposal. I also think they price their parts so the DIYer will be driven away and then give generous discounts to local dealers so they can make their money off labour.

    Most car companies also manufacture things that require "special" tools, weird fasteners and unrepairable/sealed componentry to achieve the same end whilst also keeping independent workshops out of the loop - car manufacturing is cut throat business and profits come mainly from after sales service/parts/assistance.

    Another strategy is to give everything a short service life so you have to change it often. Mazda comes to mind in this category.

    For alternators and starter motors there is a really good mob in Adelaide that will have most common types on the shelf (they remanufacture them) on an exchange basis or can do yours if you ship them the original. I will try to find their card when I get home. Did about three alternators for me for various cars and they even upped the Amp output on one on my request. Very friendly, professional, know their stuff, will deal with you over the phone and mail and are very competitive on price. Your alternator/starter will be as new or better. They also sell the little bits (for instance I bought off them one of their own voltage regulators which is integrated on a Honda alternator. Honda wanted 400$ for it (or 3200$ for the alternator), cost me 80$, bolted straight in.

    For any of the mechanicals, as explained above by others, go overseas. Most places will supply anything much quicker than local dealers anyway. Take your bits and pieces to your local friendly mechanic and have them do the job.

    PS. Found the company in Adelaide:

    http://www.aaewholesale.com.au/getma...pe=alternators
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