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    400,000ks, a break-in and a 506

    Hi,

    A few intersting things (maybe):

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    My 504 wagon hit 400,000kms the other night. It has a rebuilt motor though so maybe it isn't as exciting as it could have been. I got to watch the odometer tick over, starting at the lowest value digit (ones) and working it's way across to the hundred thousands digit in turn.

    Some bastard broke into it the night before that. It was parked in my driveway in suburban Canberra. They must have used a screwdriver in the driver's side lock. They got in, opened the ash tray, sifted through the rubbish, closed the door (well practically) and left. I reckon it was a kid looking for money or cigarrettes (bad luck - none there). I heard a noise at 12:30am or so (up watching the grand prix) and turned the outside light on. I couldn't see anything but suspect that I might have scared them off. I found the car with the door partially open the next morning. The lock still works but not as well. The painful part is that I only changed it over a few months ago because when I bought the car, the same thing had happened prior to my ownership and the lock was stuffed!

    Lastly, I saw a really nice white 504 sedan with the 505 mags, parked at my office a week or so ago. It had a 506' badge that I thought was a home-made job until I looked closely at it. The badge looked like a genuine Pug part. In searching the Web, there is a 506 model but I could only find photos of a ute style 504 with a canapy thing on the back from soem far off foreign country (Brazil??). Anyway, I assume that the '6' means V6. Does anyone know about the 506 or this car in particular? I am just curious.

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    Didn't know a 506 existed! I know that before the 605 was released, the press speculated it was to be called the 506..
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    that white 504 you saw would have had a very nice injected V6 under the bonnet with 11:1 forged pistons and a few other nice little bits in it
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    Hi Pugrambo,

    So you know the car (and owner) then! I figured it would have a V6. Where did the owner find a 506 badge? I am guessing that it is a conversion done in Australia?

    I left my business card with a note asking if they wanted to swap for my sad looking 504 wagon that was parked next to it - hey it's got a weber. Funnily enough, I haven't heard back.

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    That's what i want, a 505 Gti Executive, with leather.
    And a Twin Turbo V6, yeah
    I have the 505 but have to save up cash to do the conversion.. head_ban
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    James S:
    Hi Pugrambo,

    So you know the car (and owner) then! I figured it would have a V6. Where did the owner find a 506 badge?
    James
    On an Austrian Taxi? see <a href="http://www.peugeotclub.org/peugeot/archive/405/2002/Jun/0056.html" target="_blank">http://www.peugeotclub.org/peugeot/archive/405/2002/Jun/0056.html</a>

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    Hi Rod,

    I found those photos also but you can't tell anything about the car - doesn't look like a 504 though.

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    James S:
    Hi Rod,

    I found those photos also but you can't tell anything about the car - doesn't look like a 504 though.

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    My bet would be that the 506 is an abberant ute number (as in the Brasillian photo from the canopy maker) and that the "Terroidal tank" photo is actually from a late model 405. Don't know how that fits with the Austrian Taxi though. I doubt that it has anything to do with the engine size / cylinders. Pug numbers don't usually work that way .

    Googling on Peugeot 506 gives quite a few mentions, but very little in English.

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    Tom Subi has fooled you just as he has done to many other people. He had the "506" badge specially made up using a computerised milling machine, so that it is in the same style as the later plastic "504" and "505" badges.

    Before Tom owned the car it was owned by Alpine Motors who did the 2.85 injected Volvo V6 conversion together with the BA10 5 speed and the 505 GTI suspension. Not to mention the 220km/h speedo from a 504 V6 coupe.

    Tom also had alloy door lock buttons machined up and powder coated black so that they look original but never break.

    You can see a picture of Tom's car and Tom himself (the guy with the beard) at the top of this page:

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    <img src="http://www.grupowalk.com.br/images/Capotas/peugeot506.gif" alt=" - " />

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    <a href="http://www.grupowalk.com.br/peugeot.htm" target="_blank">506 Ute Canopies</a>

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    davemcbean:
    Tom Subi has fooled you just as he has done to many other people. He had the "506" badge specially made up using a computerised milling machine, so that it is in the same style as the later plastic "504" and "505" badges.

    Before Tom owned the car it was owned by Alpine Motors who did the 2.85 injected Volvo V6 conversion together with the BA10 5 speed and the 505 GTI suspension. Not to mention the 220km/h speedo from a 504 V6 coupe.

    Tom also had alloy door lock buttons machined up and powder coated black so that they look original but never break.

    Dave
    and the plastic fuel tank
    not too mention that the car goes very well and looks very smart for basically a stock looking 504
    for anyone going to the AFCD in canberra the car could very well be there as it has been there a few times in the past
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    Well that explains it - thanks guys.

    Yes Dave, that is the car that I saw the other night - nice looking...but as Chris has shown us through the photos, there is also a genuine 506!

    I am in Canberra on the 20th (I think that is the French Car day) but I am not sure I can get there - we'll see.

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    James S:
    but as Chris has shown us through the photos, there is also a genuine 506!
    No, not really. The "506" designation is likely to be either Argentinian slang for a 504 pick-up with a canopy or it's a typying mistake on the website (not unusual). There's nothing on the website to suggest it's an offical Peugeot designation.

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    davemcbean:
    James S:
    but as Chris has shown us through the photos, there is also a genuine 506!
    No, not really. The "506" designation is likely to be either Argentinian slang for a 504 pick-up with a canopy or it's a typying mistake on the website (not unusual). There's nothing on the website to suggest it's an offical Peugeot designation.

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    You could be right Dave, I've used several search engines, and whilst there is plenty of discussion, mostly centred around the possible release of the 506 no evidence other than the Argentinian site I posted?? The tray on that ute is quite different though, maybe a 90's revamp they badged as a 506 over there??

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    So why did Peugeot never release a "506" and decide to seemingly concentrate on the "4" series - 405, 406, 407 - instead? I've always wondered about this. The larger size of a 506 would fill the gap between the mid-sized 406 and the luxury 607 quite nicely.

    Surely people would go for this, especially considering the popularity of similar sized cars like Camrys, Magnas, and dare I say Falcons and Commodores? eek! mallet

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    im sorry to throw discusion..
    but that red 504 in that link... "towards the bottom"

    MAN IT LOOKS GOOD !!!!!

    My heart was set on That Dark Green they came with.. but that red... That realy suits it.. especially with those darker mags..

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    GreenBlood:
    The tray on that ute is quite different though, maybe a 90's revamp they badged as a 506 over there??
    That's the normal tray I saw on 504 pick-ups in England in 1987 and 1992, including the brochure I got in the UK in 1992 (brochure dated 1991).

    You may have only seen the other type of tray (flat bed 404 style with drop down sides).

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    silverexec:
    So why did Peugeot never release a "506" and decide to seemingly concentrate on the "4" series - 405, 406, 407 - instead? I've always wondered about this. The larger size of a 506 would fill the gap between the mid-sized 406 and the luxury 607 quite nicely.

    Surely people would go for this, especially considering the popularity of similar sized cars like Camrys, Magnas, and dare I say Falcons and Commodores? eek! mallet

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    Is there really any point? Most would argue to the 406 is the same size as a Camry/Magna/Liberty and that the 607 is more in line with the Audi A6, Commodore/Omega etc.
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    So why did Peugeot never release a "506" and decide to seemingly concentrate on the "4" series - 405, 406, 407 - instead? I've always wondered about this.
    Well, size-wise the 406 is really a "506". The fact that they badged it "406" has never made any sense because it's much larger than a 405 and even larger than a 505 sedan.

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    davemcbean:
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    So why did Peugeot never release a "506" and decide to seemingly concentrate on the "4" series - 405, 406, 407 - instead? I've always wondered about this.
    Well, size-wise the 406 is really a "506". The fact that they badged it "406" has never made any sense because it's much larger than a 405 and even larger than a 505 sedan.

    Dave
    Its always seemed to me that the 403, 404, 504, 505 and 406 all sit pretty much in sequence, (meaning that the 504 should have been the 405, the 505 called a 406, and the 406 thereby becoming the 407) Maybe the 405 should have been the (3.5)01!

    The 406, by the way, is 2.3cm wider than a 505, but 2.4cm shorter.

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    ...but probably bigger inside.

    The 404 remained on the market after the 504 was released, and the 504 was much bigger inside than the 404. And much better equipped.

    403 to 404 was much less of a step, while the 203 to 403 step was similarly large.

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    Rod Hagen:
    Its always seemed to me that the 403, 404, 504, 505 and 406 all sit pretty much in sequence, (meaning that the 504 should have been the 405, the 505 called a 406, and the 406 thereby becoming the 407) Maybe the 405 should have been the (3.5)01!

    The 406, by the way, is 2.3cm wider than a 505, but 2.4cm shorter.
    Interestingly, when the 305 was being deseigned in the mid 1970's, there were rumours that it would be called the "405" because it was the successor to the 404 price-wise and filled that segment of the market in France, which the 404 had occupied below the 504 until 1974.

    Then when the 406 was being tested, the rumour was that it would be called the 506, because of its size.

    Size and weight-wise, the actual 405 which was released in 1987, was a pretty close match for the 404, although I think the 404 beats almost all other Peugeots for rear legroom (included the 504 and 505) because of the fact that the front seats are so high above the floor that the rear passengers can actually put their feet underneath them. For the amount of interior room packed into a certain space I don't think you can beat the old 404. The upright windscreen and side windows as well as the high roof really reduce claustrophobia. I've noticed that manufacturers are starting to take a leaf from the 404's book with the new high roof upright cars with forward mounted windscreens, like the 307 for instance.

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    Ray Bell:
    ...but probably bigger inside.

    The 404 remained on the market after the 504 was released, and the 504 was much bigger inside than the 404. And much better equipped.

    403 to 404 was much less of a step, while the 203 to 403 step was similarly large.
    I didn't own a 404 and a 504 at the same time, Ray , but they still always "felt" about the same size to me, despite the increased "luxury". They were pretty much the same length I guess.

    The 505 actually "felt" significantly larger than the 504 (but hey, I've spent most of my time in 505 wagons). The 406 "feels" about the same size as a 505 sedan to me - or maybe even slightly smaller! (I know its not)

    Maybe the greater height of the early cars made a difference, giving an a increase in apparent size, though I personally remember feeling that the 404 had a much greater feeling of "spaciousness" than the 03, no doubt because of the greater glass area and thinner pillars etc.

    Funny how all of these different sortts of things factor into ones personal subjective assessment of such things.

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    Ray Bell:
    ..the 504 was much bigger inside than the 404. And much better equipped..
    The 504 is only bigger in the rear seat width, the legroom is actually inferior to the 404. As for being better equipped, I can only think of the bigger engine, radio, electric windscreen washers and the heated rear window. Not much of a difference. The 404 had a better ventilation system.

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    As for being better equipped, I can only think of the bigger engine, radio, electric windscreen washers and the heated rear window. Not much of a difference. The 404 had a better ventilation system.

    Dave
    I think it was the seats and other little trim things like the steering wheel etc Dave. I remember getting into my uncle's brand new 1800 engined 504 when they first arrived here. I had a 6 year old 403 at the time and my own father had a late 404. The 504 really did feel "luxurious" by comparison at the time, especially the seats. But maybe it was simply that "new car" smell and jealousy!

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