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    I have a 308 hdi 2lt wagon 6speed manual,2010 , which i have had since new.
    It has low kms of about 15,000km since it is only used on weekends,most driving is highway driving.

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    the problem I have is that at idle it blows black smoke,although it idles smooth and no missing.
    when driving i put my foot down it blows black smoke ,i don,t think it blows smoke all the time though.

    last time i drove it on the highway it seemed to have lost a little power as well.After about 40klm when i stoped the car was idling high at about 1,400rpm .
    I took it to my friends workshop who has a after market scan tool and found a written fault(no code fault)
    it said" controls injector cyl 4,incorrect flow.
    I cleared the fault and the car idled fine,although still the block smoke.
    the next week i drove the same trip and the same happened,same fault and the same clearing of the same fault.
    So after talking to a Peuget expert and the local diesel expert,i have removed all injectors and have sent them to be tested.
    I have been told i may have got bad fuel? are these cars so touchy to bad fuel that this type of work is required every time a load of bad fuel? seems a very feable system to me.
    Is there a way to fit another filter to help stop this from happening?

    by the way All the filters have been changed.

    not 100% sure what they will find with the injectors but i will let you know what happens.
    by the way anyone know of good priced injectors if i have to go that way?
    mine has the Delphi system.
    by the way any damage caused by bad fuel is not a warrenty issue,so peugeot told me.



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    How do you know its bad fuel. Should be water or gunk in the filter if it was.
    Bad fuel will destroy any diesel if left long enough for it to destroy the filters.

    As for injector, find a diesel specialist how can supply the parts direct.
    Its still going to cost you an arm and a leg though.

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    Youde better get rid of it .Ime in Mullumbimby and will do a straight swap (because I have two) of a 40 year old fuel injected 504 TI which you'll find faster,stronger and more reliable...also rarer

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    your an idiot pugsley fits,and on drugs

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    That is damned funny.

    Aside, though, you really need to see the live data on Peugeot Planet or Diagbox to get a good picture of what's going on.

    Excessive injector flow correction for just one unit may point to a problem with that particular injector. It's much harder/riskier to swap them from bore to bore like a petrol motor to see if the problem follows. One simple test is to compare the leakback volumes, but it's far from a reliable diagnostic approach. Injectors can usually be serviced - dearer than a petrol injector - unless they have been really cooked or damaged in removal.

    Make sure there are no stray washers stuck in the injector bores prior to refitting.

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    No expert here but....It seems that the car is only driven intermittently and not for long trips.

    You have changed the filters and are having the injectors serviced....good.
    Now....fill the tank with new "good" fuel, a good squirt of diesel fuel additive, (I use LUCAS).

    Now go out to the open road and ....

    DRIVE IT, LIKE YOU STOLE IT.

    A good long hot hard run....... will do it no harm at all and if all is resolved a smile should return to your dial....
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    I dunno about you, but pulling the injectors out of a 15K km HDI would not be a task I'd do out of curiosity or based on a third party scan tool's say-so. Each is worth upwards of $700 from memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    I dunno about you, but pulling the injectors out of a 15K km HDI would not be a task I'd do out of curiosity or based on a third party scan tool's say-so. Each is worth upwards of $700 from memory.
    I thought that it was a bit curious that someone had recommended that they be removed???
    Taking them out at 15K km is a bit drastic. I am thinking it is a case of the sensors, injectors, cylinders and downstream systems are a bit fouled up and a long run coupled with an "Italian tune up" might do the trick.
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    My little input. Remember this car is still under warranty and only done 15,000k. See what a pug dealer says before you start pulling things apart. I dont know where Ocean Shores is, but there must be a good dealer somewhere near that can be recomended to falstomba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamma View Post
    No expert here but....It seems that the car is only driven intermittently and not for long trips.

    You have changed the filters and are having the injectors serviced....good.
    Now....fill the tank with new "good" fuel, a good squirt of diesel fuel additive, (I use LUCAS).

    Now go out to the open road and ....

    DRIVE IT, LIKE YOU STOLE IT.

    A good long hot hard run....... will do it no harm at all and if all is resolved a smile should return to your dial....
    Falstomba you dont deserve the energy because of your pathetic overreaction to me trying to have a bit of fun....but Gamma is right the car needs to be used not hoarded....and a good hard run will see it clear itself if you're lucky. And if youre not in luck.....you might consider the tongue in cheek offer of a swap.....mindful of the fact that there are very few experts with HDI diesels in this neck of the woods.So lets all hope that a nice quick thrash of the beast will resolve all your problems....both with your expensive piece of tinware....and your weeny sense of humour...so that a smile returns to your dial.....and we can all go back to waving at other peugeots on the surmise that they might be friends we havent met yet.For Christs sake.My bet is there is nothing wrong with it except youre too anal about how you use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockwood116
    I dont know where Ocean Shores is, but there must be a good dealer somewhere near that can be recomended to falstomba.
    It's the Bairnsdale of northern NSW. South of Tweed Heads, a few km north of Byron Bay.

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    Used to be called Open Sores.......but now that real estate (house /land) hovers around the half mill mark and above ...... that slightly derogatory tag is thought to be unseemly when referring to what is noice but decidedly expensive......and the term is generally not repeated......especially by people who reside there and hope to get their money back.I believe the peugeot mob in Lismore are honest......but my belief is theres nothing wrong with the machine other than lack of use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugsley fits View Post
    Used to be called Open Sores.......but now that real estate (house /land) hovers around the half mill mark and above ...... that slightly derogatory tag is thought to be unseemly when referring to what is noice but decidedly expensive......and the term is generally not repeated......especially by people who reside there and hope to get their money back.I believe the peugeot mob in Lismore are honest......but my belief is theres nothing wrong with the machine other than lack of use.
    Pugsley fits our the ANAL, you seems to have some hate and consent urge to write such rubbish and insults.
    I Think you need some more of that cane toad Mullumbimby feral juice you have in those hippy hills to calm down.

    The test results back confirmed that cyl 4 injector is at fault.
    The car is driven hard and mostly hyway.
    peupeot confirmed they have had many problems with common rail injectors and pumps, they also said they won,t warrent any injector or pump unless it can be prooved to be a electrical fault.
    They blame the low grade Australian fuel.
    Why not blame the car? they released a car(knowing our fuel grade) that can,t run properly on our fuel.
    I,m a mechanic in a licenced workshop and was told to take the injectors to be tested,but there won,t be any warrenty unless it,s electrical???
    so no warrenty because of no real proof what caused it, faulty injector or fuel?

    that means i have to buy a newinjector ,peugeot want $680, i can buy one from france for $360 delivered.
    no guesses what i,m doing.
    buyer beware ,no warrenty because there is a loop hole.
    I love my pug,i won,t sell it or swop (pugsley fits)

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    the diesel guy who tested the injectors said he could not tell what caused the failed injector,he said it was either fuel or manifacture fault.
    All i know is the injector can,t be used.
    i,m not the only one with this type of fault.
    by the way the injectors were tested by the same company peugeot get theres tested.
    try typing in common rail injector faults in google.....there is a lot of problems in many makes,not just peugeot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falstomba View Post
    peupeot confirmed they have had many problems with common rail injectors and pumps, they also said they won,t warrent any injector or pump unless it can be prooved to be a electrical fault.
    They blame the low grade Australian fuel.
    Who told you this. The dealer or Peugeot, there's a difference. Don't believe everything the dealer says.

    Quote Originally Posted by falstomba View Post
    so no warrenty because of no real proof what caused it, faulty injector or fuel?
    As I've said already, if there was bad fuel there would be evidence. Diesel fuel filters include water separators and you would find evidence of bad fuel in this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugsley fits View Post
    Youde better get rid of it .Ime in Mullumbimby and will do a straight swap (because I have two) of a 40 year old fuel injected 504 TI which you'll find faster,stronger and more reliable...also rarer
    Now that you know you've got a fail on one of the injectors (and your sense of humor and your spelling have failed also) ...maybe you should get a couple of new injectors on the grounds that they're half price..........because if its poor fuel causing the hassle theres a good chance it will happen again....... Here is a list of your spelling mistakes........ ............. SWAP PROVED FEEBLE BLACK PEUGEOT , MANUFACTURE and WARRANTY poor YOU'RE CONSTANTly STOPPED on HIGHWAY.............with the way I read your spelling mistakes may I ask ........are you subconsciously trying to tell us something or............with your spelling mistakes is your subconscious (bet you could'nt spell that) trying to tell you something.If you thought more perhaps you would make fewer mistakes monsieur tadpole .........maybe its you who needs the canetoad juice to toughen you up before you start shelling out the cash.One last thought ...second hand from david cavanaugh (wrecker and sponsor )

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    black smoke ,[overfueling ] can also be under airing ,check the air filter and inlet tract ,gunk blocking the intercooler for instance,could the ecu be getting the message that the engine is cold ,when it isnt ,not sure about common rail but if you stomp on it, its going to take a while for the turbo to spool up till you get the correct air fuel ratio ,with an old school diesel your foot controls the fuel so you need to feed the fuel in gradually as it spools up to reduce black smoke ,in a petrol engine your foot controls the air, the fuel is increased as the air flow increases ,im thinking the ecu should iron this out on yours ,thats provided its getting the correct information via senders map sensors etc PUGS

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    As i said,all filter have been replaced.
    if you google you will find this problem a common one,Delphi have produced a fuel tester,
    ydt553 delphi. google it or ebay.co.uk there is a lot of info relating it and to fuel quality.
    not water or gunk but bad mixture from the oil comanies.

    I have refused to comment on the idiots remarks(pugsley fit),but i will say the fool has made his own spelling mistakes but can,t spell to know it!




    anyway like i say google it, Delphi also claim 80% of problems is because of bio type mixture in diesel and not up to the high quality needed.
    Anyone buying a common rail should be made aware that you will be playing Russian roulet (yes mistake).

    As far as i can see,it will be better to buy BP ultimate diesel as these guys have the higest quality here.
    By the way a diesel expert on the gold coast told me he had replaced 2 x308 injector pumps with 100,000kms on them,cause was most likely low grade fuel, so they say.
    anyone with any doughts,google away....it,s all there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamma View Post
    No expert here but....It seems that the car is only driven intermittently and not for long trips.

    You have changed the filters and are having the injectors serviced....good.
    Now....fill the tank with new "good" fuel, a good squirt of diesel fuel additive, (I use LUCAS).

    Now go out to the open road and ....

    DRIVE IT, LIKE YOU STOLE IT.

    A good long hot hard run....... will do it no harm at all and if all is resolved a smile should return to your dial....

    Hi Gamma,
    My 307 T6 2L HDI has had very similar problems which were discussed on this related thread
    308 HDI cutting out
    After a full service at the mechanic to change all filters, injectors 1 + 2 were not working properly and running on 3 cylinders when cold.
    Your Advice here was Golden and I am certainly very grateful.
    My 'receipe' is copied below
    1. added my favorite 'additive' Neways Roil Diesel Fuel treatment to the tank and topped it up with fuel
    2. headed straight to my nearest freeway (after 9:30 pm preferred)
    3. launched the beast down the onramp with pedal to the metal (to 100 kmh +/- a bit!)
    4. repeat step 3 at each off/on ramp for 25 km
    5. turn around and repeat step 3 all the way home (ensuring that you are not being watched too closely by others)
    RESULTS
    Morning after first trip, warning lights still on but started great and running much better. Afternoon, all warning lights off!!
    FOLLOWUP
    You can never be too sure, so i was pursuaded to repeat Steps 1-5 again for 30 km this time and now considering trying out for Peugeot Racing .
    SMILE HAS RETURNED TO DIAL...

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    Today our 2009 308 HDi 2.0 auto started on occasion issued black smoke i.e. not every time so it I red line it stationary it does it say one in four or five times, any ideas ?

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    Black smoke in a diesel means too much fuel or not enough air in the combustion chamber. So can be anything from a blocked / dirty air filter, right through to faulty injectors, damaged intercooler hose. I'd start with a scan and see if it give you any ideas where to start. It'd be a good idea to replace the air and fuel filter before doing much else.

    I am dealing with a similar but probably more pronounced black smoke issue than yours in our 2006 407 with the RHR engine.

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    Go see Coles in Lismore if you need to, decent dealers I am told.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcc236 View Post
    Black smoke in a diesel means too much fuel or not enough air in the combustion chamber. So can be anything from a blocked / dirty air filter, right through to faulty injectors, damaged intercooler hose. I'd start with a scan and see if it give you any ideas where to start. It'd be a good idea to replace the air and fuel filter before doing much else.

    I am dealing with a similar but probably more pronounced black smoke issue than yours in our 2006 407 with the RHR engine.
    Thank you for the reply

    Code P1351 preheating relay circuit aka Glow Plugs [3 of 4 have failed and haven't been replaced yet] but that code existed before the black smoke

    Any relation ?

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    Glow plug relay: (open circuit)
    Electrical fault on the preheating plug control: Open circuit on battery
    Not necessarily the plug. Not the black smoke either.

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