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    Hi, I'm considering an 06 Peugoet 407 SV HDi 2.7L sedan with less than 60k kms- private sale. I've taken it for a test drive and I can't spot any issues. V8 power with lots of gadgets. It seems incredible value but scary in the sense of the massive depreciation it has suffered ($68k new apparently and now less than $15k) and that in itself scares me. Not that it will depreciate at the same rate anymore- just are there other reliability reasons for it. I guess I'm preaching to the converted on this forum ;-) however I'm nevertheless worried I'm buying myself a heap of trouble in terms reliability and cost of repairs etc.

    I've talked to someone on another forum who works on them at a Puegoet dealer and he is very negative about the brand in general and says he sees a lot of them come in with less than 100k. Some issues he's mentioned for the 407 are diesel particulate filter (DPF) problems, difficulty aligning front wheels causing inside tyre scubbing, tyre pressure sensors failing. I also read more generally about dirty diesel fuel which can result in $5k+ repairs to injectors etc.

    I was wondering whether ppl on this forum/other 407SV owners can offer some honest advice/insight on this car and what issues I could expect or whether I should stay clear. I also do low kms in mainly city driving so wondering whether diesel is really appropriate for me. Also, if I decide to take it futher, what can I do to get it checked out in Brisbane- would the dealer where it is serviced be best or take it to independent Peugoet specialist? Any recommendations?

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    Hi-Sadly depreciation is part of life but fortunately you are not going to loose 50 odd grand.Heard of a late? 2000 big Benz-fastidiously cared for -best offer $40.000-down from $280,000.HMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!.

    Peugeot recommend B.P.

    Personally I would -if I were you-speak to the prior owner.

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    I considered one and after some research I went for a 406.
    Do not touch a 407 automatic.

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    Isn't there a difference between the V6 & 4 cyl auto ?. Thought the 406 was the problem auto.
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    Both the SV versions (the V6 petrol and V6 diesel) came with the Aisin 6 sp auto (AM6), as far as I'm aware.

    It doesn't "enjoy" the poor reputation of the AL4 or the 4HP20, which were both 4 sp autos.

    I don't recall reading any Peugeot literature which states that Peugeot recommends BP.
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    Hi-I spent quite some time speaking sometime ago to Grant-Peugeot's Tech guy re a b i laws [bilaws -is that a new name for bro-in law] re injector problems with his 407 Diesel-By the way he is TOTALLY STOKED with the Pug [though the inj.prob hit him for a six] after spending truck loads on Statesman for years.The other bilaw had a 504 & 505 exec & they lived !/2 k apart-did not seem to make a difference .Bought the 407 when his wife saw one driving down the road & said-'I want one'. Not only are they are wrapped with the car but he cannot believe how much he had been ripped off by G.M. with a much more expensive& totally inferior car.

    As I have said for many years twice the car @ half the price-made the comment to a guy the other day who was driving a black 508 wagon-owned fancy B.M.'s etc-first Pug-When I made the Twice as good comment he immediately responded with a very emphatic EXACTLY!!!.

    So in answer to not seeing the info that is certainly possible but I can assure you it is correct & as I have told a lot of people-VERY CHEAP PROTECTION INSURANCE.
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    Thanks for replies. Any 407 SV HDi 2.7L owners out there that can vouch for their experiences with the car as far as reliability/maintenance is concerned?

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    I have a 2.7L Coupe. No problems at all (owned since new) the car has more torque (talk?) than me, boy does it pull.

    I have only covered 14k Km though. Car has averaged just over 31MPG (mostly city driving).
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    From what I know,

    there was post a few months back by a gentleman who experienced a fault with the thermostat housing with a 407 V6 Diesel. Quite cost apparently. Trying searching the archives. The engine in these is also used in Land Rovers and Ford Territorys (single turbo application there). So it might pay to search those forums for views on the engines.

    In respect of the transmission, the diesel V6 runs the AM6 Aisin Warner. They can have issues with the Valve body, usually being hard upshifts from 2nd to 3rd when warm. So make sure thats all ok on a long test drive where the Transmission sufficiently warms up (ie at least 15km or so).

    Check that the centre screen display does not fade out when it gets warm - common issue on the 407.

    Suspension issues and other electrical gremlins may apply based on other posts.

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    I am also looking at 407's, although just the 4 pots as I dont need the V6 "power", the 2.0 Hdi seems to do quite well for the size car it is.

    Through my research I have also found that the front end can need alignment, and bushes tend to go? Kind of normal for a FWD I thought. The only thing I am worried about is the clutch/flywheel issue...but most modern cars have a dual mass flywheel but I am glad I know about it now.

    I would steer clear of any euro auto once they age a bit, manuals are generally much cheaper to repair.

    Good luck, hopefully Im putting a deposit down tomorrow.

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    Talked to a guy at a Pug service department to-day and he advised me against it if the car is without warranty and that I'm buying someone else's problems. He cited issues with electrics/computer which can be difficult/expensive to fix. I don't know whether he was being honest and genuine or whether he was towing the company line ie buy a new car with warranty instead- I guess you could say he would say that. Nevertheless, I take his point that there are risks. But who's to say the owner is actually unloading a problem car- his reason for sale seemed genuine to me. I also asked about a pre-purchase inspection but he seemed to think that was only good as a current snapshot which I infer to mean he's not confident of their reliability- now I'm totally confused what to do.. buy a new car with warranty and lose a lot in depreciation or buy 2nd hand but run the risk of expensive repairs/time off the road etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolgen View Post
    .....now I'm totally confused what to do.. buy a new car with warranty and lose a lot in depreciation or buy 2nd hand but run the risk of expensive repairs/time off the road etc..
    There are other options.
    A mate just bought a similar type of luxo-barge, a late model nissan maxima from a dealer for $8k.. Bargain.
    Came with dealer warranty and took the stress out of the deal.

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    A dealer warranty is little comfort in many cases. An extreme being the Damelian-sold used cars, where one of the receiver's first actions was to declare all warranties null value.

    At the end of a dealer warranty food chain is someone being expectd to work miracles or at least do shonky repairs to last the statutory period, frequently in underequipped conditions, for a low hourly rate. There's nil motivation to perform quality work.

    From a practical viewpoint, I think FAP systems and urban short-tripping are mutually hostile.

    Coolgen - if the car is out of warranty I see no benefit in a "genuine" service centre for most issues. There are enough people with Peugeot Planet and Diagbox now, that there's no excuse for a Euro specialist not to have these tools available. A good example of problems with the electrics as people like to cite, is the underbonnet fuse panel failing (it's called PSF1 officially, often informally named BSM). The dealer price to diagnose, R&R on a 407 can be towards $1K. To buy a new part online and plug it in yourself is half or less. FWIW I have owned two luxury Pugs monstered by well-esteemed dealers and specialists. Bodgy barely starts to describe some of the repairs.

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    A second hand dealer warranty is worth jack shit to be honest..its rigged in their way.

    I am taking the 407 I am looking at to a reputable Pug specialist (not a Pug Dealer) so give a major inspection...for under $200 its worth it IMO.

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    [QUOTE=addo;1123501]

    From a practical viewpoint, I think FAP systems and urban short-tripping are mutually hostile.

    Thanks, but what is a FAP system?

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    It's basically a filter inline with the exhaust system, that traps excess soot. An additive (stored in a separate reservoir under the car body) is metered into the fuel to assist with burning the bigger lumps (comparatively speaking) down to a superfine ash.

    When it's full, you either get reamed by a dealer on a new or exchange part, or go to a specialist who will have it professionally cleaned, or knock out the guts and reprogram your ECU to pretend it's not there. Like all filters and converters, they reach saturation/lifetime much faster on cars experiencing urban duties.

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    Thanks for that. Is it essentially the same as the DPF issues I've read about?

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    Yes, essentially same part with a proprietary fluid that's tailored in chemical properties to the engine manglement system.

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    You realise that deisel is used in the Ford Territory right I wouldn't be to worried if I owned one the territory probaby rides better than a 407 though

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    Hi
    I to was in the same position as yourself and Polyal I spent months on the web researching vehicles, the thing is the more you read forums the more you will be put off by potential problems and there can be many with all vehicle makes.

    So I decided I wanted something a bit different and in my (banks) price range so I bit the bullet and purchased a 2006 407 HDI 2.7 coupe, it had 49,000 km's and now has 54,000 km's, (in 4 months) my wife drives it to work every day and says it the best car we have ever owned.

    Living in the Highlands has some great advantages, the roads (Macquarie Pass etc) and every weekend it still brings a smile to my face with a trip to the Gong, I drive that road in a company car (diesel VW) every day and it feels like a tractor compared to the 407.

    I was lucky the Pugeot had a full service history (a must) and I know what to look for in a second hand vehicle, but you can be caught, but that applies to any car.

    So do your research, service and running costs etc then say stuff it and buy from the heart not the head

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    That sounds a good approach, because if/when anything pops up, you have already faced the idea of how much it may cost to sort and won't be frightened to stare it down.

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    Quick question guys, other than a few cosmetic things the car Im looking at checks out, do 2005 407's have folding exterior mirrors?

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    They were made with and without, but I suggest most Oz delivered larger Pugs are spec'd up by the importers for such details. If you messaged the last eight of the VIN I could look it up and tell you.

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    [QUOTE=creepy;1123792]
    the thing is the more you read forums the more you will be put off by potential problems
    Yeah, It's starting to get that way..

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