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    We have pretty much locked in a Peugeot 407 for a daily, but Im struggling to find info on the model. In particular I am after any general tips in looking for known issues? Might be easier if I list the queries.

    From my novice POV they are pretty "standard", as in nothing on them should be overly exotic.

    1. What would the typical service costs be? TDi vs PULP

    2. Is there any links to maintenance schedules so I can find when the majors are due?

    3. Would 150,000k's on a 2005 TDi manual be a concern? Ive heard good stories about long term durability but equal the other way aswell.

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    4. Since the model ran from 2004-2010 (??), what are the differences? Are you always better getting the latter models? Where there many changes/updates along the way?

    Ive found two examples I like but wanted to research a bit first. Ive got a low k's 07 petrol vs a 05 TDi with 150,000 k's. Id rather the TDi but the lure of a low km model is winning at the moment.

    Thanks in advance

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    I have owned peugeot diesels with more than 400K on the clock and still running well. 150K is barely run in. ( mind you I sold a 505 petrol with 520K to a friend who still speaks to me!)

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    "Google" Peugeot 407 TDi, and see what comes up! Then try Peugeot 407 TDi Problems.

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    I'd try to google peugeot 407 HDi you may get better results. Peugeot diesels are solid and long in the tooth, even the modern dw. The rest of the car however will be falling apart. I find most 407's over 100k are rattly inside and loose upfront. V6's are definitely worse. The manuals are trouble free, but the dual mass flywheel will give out at some point $$$$.
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    Thanks guys, I have googled the problems and done a bit of reading. Problem with the internet is that a high percentage of people that post their problems that are not part of clubs are generally not car people and dont have a clue.

    I am pretty confident with the TDi drive train, it was common faults etc that I was concerned with and whether or not there was a big difference between early and late versions of the 407.

    I fully expect to need to replace shocks, discs etc with a 150k car...already look for some koni's.

    Definitely getting a manual and no V6, ill have the car looked at by a Pug specialist too but I wanted to be educated (even just a little) before I contact them.

    Interested about the dual mass flywheel though.

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    OK about this DMF issue.

    Seems that while yes lots of people suffer from it, well atleast people with an internet connection, and its certainly not a Peugeot only problem. What I can find out is how often does it happen.

    If someone said..yeah about every 60,000k's then I could live with that, but it seems that some even need replacing soon after a new one is fitted. Which could mean its the drivers fault, the installer or a world wide conspiracy...probably not the latter.

    Perhaps Ill call up some Pug specialists to see how often they deal with the issue. At the moment while a concern its not quite something that would put me totally off.

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    You can readily buy DMF "back conversion" kits that revert the car to a single mass, solid flywheel. From memory, even Valeo sell one.

    At 150K, traditionally Pug shocks/struts would be fine. Wheel bearings, too. Bushes - that's another story!

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    Kenny - I said DMF not DPF!

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    addo yes I have seen the kits (not price) and while it is an option I think it would ruin the car.

    If I wanted an older TDi Id look at a 406 I guess, and all the examples for sale at the moment show how reliable they are. I think thats half the problem really, the older stuff was bullet proof but rough and harsh, so companies now try and smooth them out with varying success.

    Have the DMF is a more cost effective way for the manufacturer to help NVH then actually beefing up gearbox's which then ruins the shift feel anyway.

    As for the DPF, yes I have heard modern TDi also suffer from this. It is sorted by atleast once a week going for a decent drive. Lots of stop start stuff is not good for the filter. I agree though, if it becomes a PIA removal is the best but then do you need to tune the car so the ECU knows this? Otherwise it will be in limp mode...

    As far as I understand anyway. Might be an easy way to trick a sensor though.

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    Kenny - I said DMF not DPF!
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    Ok enough! It's not a TDi.

    It's an HDi.

    You are all trying my pedantry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polyal
    As for the DPF, yes I have heard modern TDi also suffer from this. It is sorted by atleast once a week going for a decent drive. Lots of stop start stuff is not good for the filter. I agree though, if it becomes a PIA removal is the best but then do you need to tune the car so the ECU knows this? Otherwise it will be in limp mode...

    As far as I understand anyway. Might be an easy way to trick a sensor though.
    You need a "Galetto cable" which carries the firmware enabling you to hoover up the relevant files and replace them with either customised files or a generic one based simply on model/motor. Costs start around $35 for the brave DIY'ers, upwards of $500 if you are going for a dyno tweaked map.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    It's an HDi.
    Yep, I started to think I had accidently posted on a VW forum.

    Dual mass flywheels have no predictable failure pattern (atleast not in my experience.) I have seen them fail at less than 20k kms and I have seen others with more than 280k kms and still opperating fine.

    Other 407 issues are leaking power steering pipes, the fluid leaks and softens the rubber dampeners in their brackets that hold the pipes to the underbody and rattle/shudder like crazy. The occasional wheel speed sensor failure. Rear lights burnt out blub fault message if the rear has not had the extra earth modification and Mfd failure in the heat.

    I would have a 407 to be honest, with the exception of the 2.2 4cyl petrol. My pick would be a SW with the dt17 hdi. They have bundles of torque, but they also have their individual problems. I would advise to look for a s2 with the 'arselift' (different taillights and body colour coded plastics) 2.0hdi purely for cost vs reliabilty.
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    Ok fellas I understand..Hdi...whats the H stand for anyway?

    I agree the 2.2 isnt really worth the effort, and if I wanted a 6 Id probably look elsewhere to be honest.

    I would prefer the SW having kids, but for some reason Peugeot thought it not necessary to have the manual option on them here, actually thats the same for many good wagons/euro's..they think we are Americans (probably not far off).

    What year/month did the S2 kick in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James504 View Post

    I would have a 407 to be honest, with the exception of the 2.2 4cyl petrol. My pick would be a SW with the dt17 hdi. They have bundles of torque, but they also have their individual problems. I would advise to look for a s2 with the 'arselift' (different taillights and body colour coded plastics) 2.0hdi purely for cost vs reliabilty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Polyal View Post
    Ok fellas I understand..Hdi...whats the H stand for anyway?
    H= Highly. Highly Dubious Investment.

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    H= Highly. Highly Dubious Investment.

    BTW- HDi really stands for High pressure Diesel Injection
    Nearly....

    High pressure Direct Injection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polyal View Post
    We have pretty much locked in a Peugeot 407 for a daily, but Im struggling to find info on the model. In particular I am after any general tips in looking for known issues? Might be easier if I list the queries.

    From my novice POV they are pretty "standard", as in nothing on them should be overly exotic.

    1. What would the typical service costs be? TDi vs PULP

    2. Is there any links to maintenance schedules so I can find when the majors are due?

    3. Would 150,000k's on a 2005 TDi manual be a concern? Ive heard good stories about long term durability but equal the other way aswell.

    4. Since the model ran from 2004-2010 (??), what are the differences? Are you always better getting the latter models? Where there many changes/updates along the way?

    Ive found two examples I like but wanted to research a bit first. Ive got a low k's 07 petrol vs a 05 TDi with 150,000 k's. Id rather the TDi but the lure of a low km model is winning at the moment.

    Thanks in advance
    The 407 model carried on much of Peugeots traditional reputation for engine longevity (petrol & diesel); however, some criticism was evident based upon a less than ergonomic use of internal space (mainly in the rear if your are of large proportions) plus the weight of the car compared with the 307 etc.

    The weight tended to dampen the V6 petrol engine performance (SV range), although it remains a very competent open road cruiser with good fuel economy. The Hdi version, with better torque, is well suited to the 407, & performs more like a much larger capacity engine, which is one of the benefits of turbo-charged diesel engines.

    Cosmetically, the 407 design was & still is well received, especially the Touring (wagon) version. They are a very comfortable, well equipped vehicle with plenty of standard features. Executive models have a few more features (leather, upgraded audio etc), but otherwise are mechanically the same.

    The last of the 407 range actually shed some weight, had some revised styling changes & I believe (not confirmed) a few of them arrived with the upgraded 2.2 Hdi engine which was about to be released in the 4007.

    I own the 407 Hdi SV Touring model. This has the 2.7 litre V6 twin turbo diesel engine plus all the extra features as standard. Economy on the open road is as good as the 2 litre Hdi (about 6.0 l/100km) & in the 9.5l/100km range for the city cycle. Servicing costs are on par with the rest of the 407 diesel range & reliability has been excellent. It is a 2006 model & the only replacement of note has been a gas strut for the tail gate.

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    This is why everyone tends to want the diesels

    petrol
    Cubic capacipty (CCs) 2230
    Power (kW) 116
    Max torque (Nm) 217
    Max torque RPM 3900

    Number of cylinders 4
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    Capacity in litres...................................1,997
    Induction......... High Pressure Common Rail
    Fuel recommendation ..........................Diesel
    Claimed max. power............. [email protected],000
    Claimed max. [email protected]

    My wife loves the 407 we bought a while back. the diesel is a little laggy, but the fuel economy and effortless performance is brilliant. It's just a shame they forgot to put supsension under it

    If you could get it cheap enough, I can't see why the 2.2petrol wouldn't be ok, in an all out sprint it's likely faster than the oil burner anyway ..... Especially if it's for the wife to drive

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    I have a 2007 407 hdi manual, just clicked over 140,000, and it has been great. I have had several peugeots before, and this is the most stable, quietest one yet; I agree sort of with Shane, it is a bit jiggly over low speed bumps, but nothing as bad or jarring a many other brands; the medium to high speed suspension is way better than anything the japs and aussie brands can offer. It is quick enough, and the turbo lag is only a problem in quick take offs; just hang onto the gears a bit longer. It is very economical and reliable. The only things I've had go wrong is the cruise control intermitent, fixed by new brake switch, and few bulbs. Had the brakes done at 120,000 service, along with the drive belts, all up about 1500 bucks; The DMF may go, but it is not a biggy to fix; did it on my 405 when it went at something like 300,00ks.
    All in all, I reckon the 407 is an underrated car, motoring journos slagged it because of itys big mouth; funny that Hyundais, Mazdas and some others are suddenly all beautiful with their big mouths.
    Take your pug to a pug specialist, avoid multibrand dealers and you'll be fine with a 407.
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    In my experience the 2 liter Hdi is one of the most reliable engines you can get, and I think its one of the easier engines to work on (although still a bit tight on space).
    The positioning of the filters makes it a breeze to service.

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    Cheers guys...well I think I have made up my mind that Ill have a look at this 407 Hdi..if it works out then ill go for it. If not ill run with my tail behind my legs back to a Falcon.

    I called a Pug specialist in Brisbane and got the following quotes...

    Flywheel and clutch replacement...$3000..freakin ouch

    Cambelts and water pump (said he does them at the same time??) $1400..thought that was pretty good.

    These where the two things I was worried about. He also mentioned the tyre pressure system can be problematic..and costs ~$1600 to replace. Crazy when you look at the belt and pump price.

    I think I am looking at the car at a point that even if the clutch/flywheel thing happens Im still doing alright.

    Does $8500 sound ok for a 2005 Hdi manual? 150,000k's.

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    Well it looks like I am going ahead with this particular Hdi 407...

    Whats the best way to source parts? At the moment it seems I am only after cosmetic stuff. First on the list is the chrome moulding on the LHS front bumper that wraps around/underneath the headlight.

    Is it Peugeot only?

    Other than a couple of touch up things the only mech detail is the rear disks..no biggy.

    Lastly, how much does the intermediate 150,000 service cost?

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    In regards the tyre pressure monitors , correct me if I am wrong but you can shut the whole system off with Lexia and the use normal valves.

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