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    Default 205 gti 'Reco' driveshafts nightmare

    Need some advice. I had my driveshafts reco'd about 3000k ago, at a cost of $350, by supposedly reputable and recommended driveshaft specialists. After putting them back in I had gear stick wobble on takeoff. So I took the shafts out again and took them back to the shop...the other side of the city and PITA to get to, not to mention the PITA to get the shafts in and out again. They reluctantly agreed to look at them and begrudgingly admitted there was a fault, which they then 'fixed' while I waited, no apology however.

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    I've since driven 2700 odd k without much of an issue, although there did still seem to be a little gear stick wobble and a little harshness on hard cornering but barely noticeable. However gradually they both became more noticeable. Then I went for a fang up Mt Dandenong on Sat and now on left hand corners I'm getting a very audible, rotational, metallic sounding dududududududud from the left hand front of the car. Thing is on the sedate drive back home in city traffic, cornering without 'vigour', it wasn't noticeable. On the twisties it sounded very bad.

    So what should I do, I think there was a 6mth warranty, should I try and fight to get my money back? Or should I just cut my losses and try and track down some new ones? Are new S1/S2 shafts still available new? I'm thinking of just cutting my losses as I'm guessing they won't want to give my money back. They may begrudgingly 'fix' them again and a couple of mths down the track I might be back where I started again. I really wish I could invoice them an hourly rate for the amount of time I'll have wasted, not to mention new hub nuts, oil, etc.

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    There are aftermarket available, if no local offenders carry them try the UK.

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    I would spend as much time in their face as possible. No business likes an unhappy customer at the front counter making noise when other customers are around. Does Consumer Affairs still exist ? Don't just threaten them - make contact with Consumer Affairs and escalate it.

    Years ago I had an issue with a Digital camera from a very large multinational camera company - the thing was repaired 3 times for the same fault (motherboard kept failing) and they finally said they wouldn't repair it any more. I contacted Consumer Affairs, who then contacted the manufacturers local arm, and a new repair authorisation was then granted.

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    Default 205 gti 'Reco' driveshafts nightmare

    A & F Driveshaft Repairs in Hawthorn East were recommended to me by Graham Wallis. They rebuilt my Si shafts while I waited and I have had no probs.

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    Sameo on A & F. They are great.


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    Thanks guys, ummm, I think before I go any further can anyone think of anything else non-driveshaft related that might cause the gear shift to wobble and make a rotational, metallic sounding dududududududud from the left hand front of the car when going through LH corners with 'vigour'? There's nothing perceptible coming through the steering wheel.

    Things I've checked are wheel bearings are both good, control arm bushes are good, balljoints are good, has new struts and Baker strut top bushes. I didn't replace the strut top bearings though, they felt OK, what sort of symptoms do these have when they go? I've checked the hub nut and all the pivot/balljoint nuts/bolts are the correct torque. Anything I'm missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveT View Post
    Thanks guys, ummm, I think before I go any further can anyone think of anything else non-driveshaft related that might cause the gear shift to wobble and make a rotational, metallic sounding dududududududud from the left hand front of the car when going through LH corners with 'vigour'? There's nothing perceptible coming through the steering wheel.

    Things I've checked are wheel bearings are both good, control arm bushes are good, balljoints are good, has new struts and Baker strut top bushes. I didn't replace the strut top bearings though, they felt OK, what sort of symptoms do these have when they go? I've checked the hub nut and all the pivot/balljoint nuts/bolts are the correct torque. Anything I'm missing?

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    The knocking noise in the front of an 205 Si I had went away after fitting a Quaife diff. I had replaced the driveshaft previously but no change to the noise obviously.
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    Thanks Graham, I did wonder about the diff, can you remember under what conditions your noise was apparent, cornering, take off, engine braking?

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    Strut top bearings won't make this noise only a clunking noise over bumps, driveways, etc. I think it can only be driveshafts or diff related unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveT View Post
    Thanks Graham, I did wonder about the diff, can you remember under what conditions your noise was apparent, cornering, take off, engine braking?
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    Thanks Andrew and Graham.

    Anyone got any ideas how to definitively ascertain if it's the shaft or the diff (whilst they're still in the car)?

    The car has 131,000k's, with service history, owned for 95% of it's life by a couple of ladies, is a diff likely to be the culprit in a car with this sort of history?

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    This may not do or achieve anything...but what if you put it in gear, hand brake on tight and try and move the car back and forth...?

    Would that demonstrate slack or play in the diff of internals of the gear box?



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    I'd avoid after market driveshafts for as long as you can. There are still plenty of good 2nd hand OEM shafts around. For example, Si models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pug-life View Post
    This may not do or achieve anything...but what if you put it in gear, hand brake on tight and try and move the car back and forth...?

    Would that demonstrate slack or play in the diff of internals of the gear box?


    I dont know, but thats a sure way to test the engine mounts.
    On my car (which is very different to a 205) if the engine mounts are shot, the destruction of the drive shafts will soon follow.

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    As Jo has said.

    I had a mate with a 205 that on cornering has a wobble, groan sound. Turned out to be the engine mounts were not adjusted correctly adn the engine was rubbing on the chassis leg and rubbing when cornering left in particular.

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    Thanks guys for the help. The engine mounts are all new, but I'll double check that nothing's misaligned and rubbing. With the wobbling gearstick and the nature of the sound I'm still pretty sure it's the shafts but I'm not 100% so I don't want to go crashing into the place and making accusations just yet. But then I also don't want to replace the diff to find it's not the problem.

    One thing I did notice was going up the Mt the noise was more apparent than coming down...not sure if this sheds anymore light.

    Can you tell if a 2nd hand OEM (si) shaft (out of the car) is still good just by feeling for play?

    I remember when I was first looking at either buying new or reco'ing my shafts that Dapco had new shafts by a company called Renap, not sure if they still have them and what the quality is like, anyone tried them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveT View Post
    Thanks guys for the help. The engine mounts are all new, but I'll double check that nothing's misaligned and rubbing. With the wobbling gearstick and the nature of the sound I'm still pretty sure it's the shafts but I'm not 100% so I don't want to go crashing into the place and making accusations just yet. But then I also don't want to replace the diff to find it's not the problem.

    One thing I did notice was going up the Mt the noise was more apparent than coming down...not sure if this sheds anymore light.

    Can you tell if a 2nd hand OEM (si) shaft (out of the car) is still good just by feeling for play?

    I remember when I was first looking at either buying new or reco'ing my shafts that Dapco had new shafts by a company called Renap, not sure if they still have them and what the quality is like, anyone tried them?

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    Yeah Dave, by rotating it laterally back and forth. I think there should be like an tiny little bit of movement but hardly any.

    From what I've found, if it makes a really quiet version of what it sounds like when they are in the car...then they're toast.

    Check for torn or loose boots which may be a cause of water in the CV and thus, rust. Usually the inner is safe as its only up and down movement...

    Can anyone else elaborate?

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    I could lend you an Si shaft to try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveT View Post
    Thanks guys for the help. The engine mounts are all new, but I'll double check that nothing's misaligned and rubbing. With the wobbling gearstick and the nature of the sound I'm still pretty sure it's the shafts but I'm not 100% so I don't want to go crashing into the place and making accusations just yet. But then I also don't want to replace the diff to find it's not the problem.

    One thing I did notice was going up the Mt the noise was more apparent than coming down...not sure if this sheds anymore light.

    Can you tell if a 2nd hand OEM (si) shaft (out of the car) is still good just by feeling for play?

    I remember when I was first looking at either buying new or reco'ing my shafts that Dapco had new shafts by a company called Renap, not sure if they still have them and what the quality is like, anyone tried them?

    Cheers
    Dave

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    I actually had a really bad time with A&F.

    Fitted reco driveshaft. Take off down the road. MASSIVE thumping.

    Take the shaft out. Outer CV seized. Destroy lower engine mount.

    Call up "wtf?", gives me another.

    Take it 5metres.

    Back on the phone, "WTF!? CV is seized again!"

    Told me they didnt want to know.

    Wasted $120 + 6 pack + 3 days of pulling driveshafts out and putting in.

    Cut my losses, bought a descent 2nd hand one $100.

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    Got my driveshafts reco'd recently.
    Short one $110
    Long one $130 or 140?

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    when they reco a driveshaft, do they replace the race in which the cv joint runs in? no, get a new shaft. end of story. would never reco a shaft. fit a new boot perhaps yes, that is all
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    Thanks Julz for the tips and Graham for the offer of a lend of an SI shaft, I might take you up on that. Also Dan interesting to hear your experience, put it this way, I won't be recommending A & F either.

    The thought of pulling the shafts out again isn't filling me joy so I'll check out a few of the suggestions and continue driving it see what happens.

    Thanks for all the input. Keep you posted.

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    Last month my little 205 GTi went in for a major service and timing belt/water pump change.
    My mechanic notes that my left outer drive shaft boot U/S and joint worn due to wear & lack of grease.
    The car is a 1991 S3 and has travelled 194,000km.

    I gather from reading this thread that I should be getting the drive shaft rebuild rather than replacing it with an ebay special.
    Any suggestions as to where to go in Adelaide and what dollars I would be looking at?
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    My suggestion is replace the boot and keep using it until it shows signs of wear whilst you look for new driveshafts. You might be lucky.
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    Haven't got very far with this, I've checked the engine isn't rubbing on anything. The more I drive it the more I'm convinced it's the left hand drive shaft. Noise comes from left hand corner of the car and only noisy on hard left hand corners, worse on up hill left handers.

    Now I have to decide whether to take it out, go back to the shop, get into an argument, have them 'fix' it again and hope, or just cut my losses and try to find a decent secondhandy.

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