404 proportioning valve wanted
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    404 proportioning valve wanted

    I need a brake proportioning valve for a 1969 404 if anyone can help me. Can't seem to be able to get a new one anywhere so s/h will have to do i think.

    Grant

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    Grant,
    Have you tried European Auto Imports, 98996683. I can probably help you with a second hand one, condition unknown though.

    Graham

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    Graham,
    yes I have tried E.A.I., Caravelle,Dapco, Genuine, etc....... can't seem to get one anywhere as they no longer make them. If s/h I would need one in VGC.

    Grant

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    This is perhaps out of court, but I'll toss it in anway...

    You can do without the valve altogether, but you have to balance the front and rear brakes to do so.

    Hillman Super Minx or Humber Vogue calipers fit on the original mounts, you need to relieve the disc clearance a tad with a file, and then slice the top 3mm or so from the pad material.

    Then you have pistons about three times the size of the originals, hence the brake balance is achieved. I used this on my 1960 404 and it was perfect, but I didn't have a booster.

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    Grant,
    Things are looking bad. 404 disc brake parts are impossible to get mainly because they sold minimal numbers of disc braked cars in europe. The PCCV tried to get a batch of disc rotors made (minimium order 200 and a price of around $50) but couldn't get any interest from european clubs as their cars were all drum brake models. My second hand units would almost certainly not be VGC, probably your best bet would be to buy an aftermarket compensator, rally style and mount it under the bonnet. I normally save money and use one from a 105 series Alfa.
    Ray's idea is good, I did this with HK Holden discs on my 403 rally car, no booster needed and the best brakes on any car I have driven
    Regards, Graham

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    Don't miss the bit about slicing off the top 3mm of the pads or you'll reach a point where they meet in the middle... they overlap the disc by about that amount, and if they do meet in the middle when the rest wears away you find yourself in emergency situations with only the rears working!

    It's the only thing wrong with the conversion, really... you might have to find some unions, but nothing special... look around old Toyota Crowns for anything you can't find on a Pug.

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    Baer Make An Adjustable Brake Proportioning Valve For Trucks, Might Be Able To Use It Here, $115 Us.

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    Just beware the lets fit anything off some piece of pommy crap camp....I bought a car that had been modified by some gorilla to some of these specifications and the results were undrivable and yet have been reported in this forum as the best thing as sliced bread. The 404 system works well and is not unreasonble to recondition if you sleve it with stainless sleves and get a kit.

    I went through all the channels you have, and gave up in frustration.I had a Peugeot specialist undertake the job in Balwyn on my behalf. The idiot that charged me a large amount of money for said restoration of valve handed me a valve that would have seen catastrophic failure the first time the brakes were used. Beware having your car serviced in Balwyn.

    Get the thing sleved and pop a kit in it. Simple. Did it my self in an hour spread over a couple of days, and have been happily driving a well braked 404 around for a couple of years ever since.

    Do you think the cars that won the east africa safaris had Hillman brakes??

    Number is 03 9499 5404 if you need to know where to get the bits and peices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e/city
    I need a brake proportioning valve for a 1969 404 if anyone can help me. Can't seem to be able to get a new one anywhere so s/h will have to do i think.

    Grant
    i have one give me a call
    garry
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