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    Wanted: 505 BA10 Gearbox

    Im looking for a 5 speed BA10 gearbox from a 505. it is for my 504 so only the BA10 (small ball on back of box) will fit. I hope someone can help me out
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    Hi,

    I have a BA10 box. The car drove to the accident so it works. I want $400 cash for it. Located on northside of brisbane.

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    Thanks, could u swap them over aswell?
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    Hi Timmy,

    Sorry not a mechanic try peugeotech in melton rd northgate.

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    Originally posted by Timmy
    <strong>Im looking for a 5 speed BA10 gearbox from a 505. it is for my 504 so only the BA10 (small ball on back of box) will fit. I hope someone can help me out
    Tim
    It's actually the BA7/5 you need... I assume you're saying you want to put it in a wagon?

    I've done this, you need to make up a new bit of gearlinkage to make it work, it's not a big job, but absolutely necessary.

    Otherwise it's a simple swap, really... but with all the problems that changing a box in a 504 wagon entails. Best way is to take out the engine...

    Phone me on 0411 280 267 if you want more advice or specific details. I'm in Brisbane for another nine days.

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    Thanks ray!
    glad i found that out before i bought a BA10.! i wasnt aware that the wagons needed a different box. my local pug specialist has always told me to get a BA10.. are the BA7/5's more common than the BA10's? whats the story with making gearlinkages?
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    BA7/5s are harder to find, especially ones with the bellhousing and input shaft for the XN engine.

    As I'm in Brisbane at the moment, I can probably drop in on you and give you diagrams of what needs to be done.

    But the sooner you ring, the better chance you'll have of me being able to do so... I don't come back from Murrumburrah for another six weeks.

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    Timmy I believe the BA7/5 boxes were fitted to 505 SR 's so look out for a wreck of one of them

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    ray..
    not sure what u mean when u say XN engine. my wagon has a 505 sr engine.. sorry for my incompetence!
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    Timmy:
    ray..
    not sure what u mean when u say XN engine. my wagon has a 505 sr engine
    The SR engine is an XN engine. XN is just the Peugeot code for the 1971cc pushrod engine. XN is usually followed by a letter or number depending on the intake design. e.g.:

    XN1 -early 504 single carby engine
    XN2 -Kugelfischer fuel injected 504 engine
    XN1/75 -square port single carby engine
    XNA -Australian twin carb "low emissions" engine
    XNA1 -Australian square port single carb "low emissions" engine (late 504s, early 505s)
    XNA2 -second generation Australian square port "low emissions" engine with pulse air valves (505GR and 505SR)
    XN6 -Bosch K-jet fuel injected engine (505 SLi)
    XN1A -four branch single carb engine (European 505 SL and Argentinian 505 "Gamma")

    1796cc versions of this family of engines start with "XM" e.g.:
    XM
    XM7
    XM7A

    1618cc versions of this family of engines start with "XC", e.g.:
    XC
    XC5
    XC5A
    XC6
    XC7

    1468cc versions of this engine are called "XB" and were only ever fitted to some European basic spec 404s.

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    Timmy:
    ray..
    not sure what u mean when u say XN engine. my wagon has a 505 sr engine.. sorry for my incompetence!
    I don't understand at all...

    I posted three phone numbers for you to contact me, you haven't... I can't help you without drawing a diagram in front of you.

    Please phone me... that's all I ask. I won't be in Brisbane in another week, you need to phone now. No matter how late, that's all right.

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    How do you tell an XC, XM, and XN apart by looking at them? Do you have to pull something off?
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    Ray,

    I am picking up the wagon with the BA7/4 in the next few days....I know where I can get an XN ready BA7/5 and am interested...any way you can draw the diagram and email it to me ?

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    Basically, Ben, you have to model it off the original change for the late model wagon (which has two holes in the tunnel), duplicating the bent tube arrangement.

    BUT... the original won't fit the 5-speed because of a lack of clearance on the rearward side of the pivot ball on top of the box.

    You need, therefore, to make the bent tube section that little bit longer and fit the attaching socket behind it. You'll readily work out from there how the other lever fits on.

    I left my 4-speed changer intact to do mine and changed the ball pivot to the simple bolt used on the 505, actually.

    Then I welded the bent tube I made up in place on the 505 changer (taking all rubbers etc out first, of course)... then I cut out the original straight bar (which you can't use because the gearbox mount is in the way) and butchered the frame around the lever to give all the needed clearance.

    There is some fine tuning needed in the way of bending the arm at the bottom of the lever itself for clearance in the tunnel, and you need to put a kink in the rod from the lever to the side of the box, bending it downwards in the middle perhaps 20mm.

    I hope Timmy rings me, I fear some of this is a bit too complicated to explain this way, though it's all pretty simple to do.

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    Pugnut403:
    How do you tell an XC, XM, and XN apart by looking at them? Do you have to pull something off?
    They originally had different sumps and heads, but it's easy to disguise one as another by swapping these over (Phil Torode did a 2 litre disguised as as a 1.6 by doing this).

    The only sure ways to tell is by knowing the specific engine numbers or casting numbers, (or by measuring the bore and stroke ).

    Engines made between 1971 and 1978 have a drain hole in the side of the block between the two centre cam followers, which joins to a hole in the head to drain out excess fuel from the inlet tract and prevent flooding. Since XC and XM engines were not sold here during those years, blocks with the drain hole are usually XN motors (unless you have an imported XM7 or XC7 motor like I have). If you fit a pre-drain hole head (XC, XC5, XC6, XM) to a drain hole motor, water will leak out the side of the block unless you plug the hole. Also if you fit a pre-drain hole head gasket to a drain hole engine, coolant water will drain into the inlet tract (had this happen on my XC7 until I plugged the holes).

    If you want to disguise a 2 litre as a 1.6, it is best to use a 1979 or later block which don't have the drain hole.

    Dave

    <small>[ 02 November 2003, 02:12 PM: Message edited by: davemcbean ]</small>
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